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#1 Old 12-18-2011, 10:08 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYXBwITsQ1k

She's done a horrible thing, and doesn't seem to understand the severity of the situation. She already had a DUI from 11 months before that, did not have a valid license, and was driving drunk again when she killed this person.

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Martin Luther King Jr. Day the day before Arrington was sentenced had been one of the most important days of the year for LEcuyer. Every year on the holiday he attended memorial events and handed out copies of a pamphlet that he created and paid to have printed.

The Personal Mission Statement that LEcuyer distributed included inspirational messages and a couple of blank pages where he encouraged people to write down your dreams. He hoped everyone would have several ideas they wanted to bring to fruition during their life.

LEcuyer had many such dreams. He lived a spartan lifestyle, riding his bicycle everywhere so hed have more money available to help others. Just a week or so before his death, LEcuyer who had only $600 to his name spent $150 for a grocery gift card to give to a family on Thanksgiving.

He rode in competitive bicycle races, including El Tour de Tucson, to raise money for charities. He took part in a Tucson-Phoenix bike ride and, when it was canceled, continued it on his own, recruiting friends to ride and solicit pledges.

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She, "John", and whoever it was that relayed the message to her, are disgustingly vile people. I despise people who drive under the influence, and anyone who encourages it. Like the author of the article, I also doubt she's going to start her own organization when she get's out. Sick.

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I can't even find words about this woman. I feel sick listening to that conversation.
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Honestly, i don't think the conversation says anything about her having remorse or not. yes, she laughed at the sick jokes of her friend but i would assume in this situation everyone would want to laugh to for a second forget what situation one is in. her tone of voice doesn't sound happy at all. it doesn't even seem like a genuine laqugh, but more as response laugh as in her trying to do it

but of course what she did was horrible, especially since it was a second offense
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That is just so sad! I am a cyclist and I would hate to see that happen. What was she thinking with no license and was drunk? I hope that she has to pay for it. And I dont say that mich but Ihoep she gets a life sentence
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Driving drunk is horrible, but I don't think laughing at a bad joke should have any effect on her sentence. People laugh for all sorts of reasons. I agree that she doesn't sound happy and I wouldn't be surprised if she also cried during that same phone call. She looks pretty devastated in the picture. What a tragedy!
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Laughing at someone's jokes in bad taste weren't the bad part for me, I think that's probably just a reaction, but at the end he says "I know that's terrible." to which she responds "No it's not". That's not reaction, that's her actually thinking it's ok. I'm not sure about this being used against her though, she may just be completely crazy from killing someone. I wouldn't be very sane.
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Driving drunk is horrible, but I don't think laughing at a bad joke should have any effect on her sentence. People laugh for all sorts of reasons. I agree that she doesn't sound happy and I wouldn't be surprised if she also cried during that same phone call. She looks pretty devastated in the picture. What a tragedy!

I agree to a certain extent, and I don't know what it's like to be in that situation, but I can't imagine finding anything funny if I did something as awful as what she's done, especially a joke like that. The person who made the joke is just despicable.
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Driving drunk is horrible, but I don't think laughing at a bad joke should have any effect on her sentence. People laugh for all sorts of reasons.

I agree. She sounds like a terrible person and she probably laughed for the wrong reasons, but I think penalties should basically be the same for everyone. They should based on the crime, not based on personal dislike of the criminals.

I don't think it makes sense to give heavier sentences to people who don't show the right kinds of emotions when expected. Inappropriate emotional responses are not crimes that should be penalized.
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Laughing at someone's jokes in bad taste weren't the bad part for me, I think that's probably just a reaction, but at the end he says "I know that's terrible." to which she responds "No it's not". That's not reaction, that's her actually thinking it's ok. I'm not sure about this being used against her though, she may just be completely crazy from killing someone. I wouldn't be very sane.

My sentiments exactly. She didn't even wait for him to finish his sentence until she said "No it's not".

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I agree. She sounds like a terrible person and she probably laughed for the wrong reasons, but I think penalties should basically be the same for everyone. They should based on the crime, not based on personal dislike of the criminals.

I don't think it makes sense to give heavier sentences to people who don't show the right kinds of emotions when expected. Inappropriate emotional responses are not crimes that should be penalized.

I agree. And it reminds me of the AETA and Environmental "terrorism" enhanced penalties in which someone is literally punished for their thoughts. So if you burn an SUV because you're a vandal you get one sentence, and if you burn it because you hate the environmental impact you get a much harsher one. Just punish for the crime.

That said, I hope she and her friend leave the planet soon. Complete wastes of water and food.

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I agree. She sounds like a terrible person and she probably laughed for the wrong reasons, but I think penalties should basically be the same for everyone. They should based on the crime, not based on personal dislike of the criminals.

I don't think it makes sense to give heavier sentences to people who don't show the right kinds of emotions when expected. Inappropriate emotional responses are not crimes that should be penalized.

i think there is more that goes into sentencing someone than simply punishing the crime without looking at circumstances. isn't part of the reason we lock away some people to keep the general public safe from them and to serve as a deterrent for future crimes (for that criminal and others)? she already has a dui from only 11 months before so you can't say she wasn't really aware of the consequences. if i drove drunk, got caught, and got off without going to jail (i assume she only lost her license) there's no way i'd be drinking anything and driving, after 11 months no less. that already shows that she doesn't exactly care about the consequences of driving drunk and you add her laughing about killing someone. i'd think if she got only a little jail time or even probation she'd be driving drunk again.
i find it disgusting that she was laughing but i wouldn't punish her more harshly because it's disgusting. i'd punish her more because to me it indicates, along with the other dui, that she will continue to be a danger to others if allowed to be free.

i don't know if that makes sense. i'm having a hard time getting my thoughts down in writing right now
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i think there is more that goes into sentencing someone than simply punishing the crime without looking at circumstances. isn't part of the reason we lock away some people to keep the general public safe from them and to serve as a deterrent for future crimes (for that criminal and others)? she already has a dui from only 11 months before so you can't say she wasn't really aware of the consequences. if i drove drunk, got caught, and got off without going to jail (i assume she only lost her license) there's no way i'd be drinking anything and driving, after 11 months no less. that already shows that she doesn't exactly care about the consequences of driving drunk and you add her laughing about killing someone. i'd think if she got only a little jail time or even probation she'd be driving drunk again.
i find it disgusting that she was laughing but i wouldn't punish her more harshly because it's disgusting. i'd punish her more because to me it indicates, along with the other dui, that she will continue to be a danger to others if allowed to be free.

i don't know if that makes sense. i'm having a hard time getting my thoughts down in writing right now

I completely understand that and I agree. It does show that she's a danger, because she doesn't understand and just simply doesn't care at all about the consequences.
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Prior DUI's suggests she's probably an alcoholic so I wouldn't expect her to be reacting well-adjusted or anything.

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terrible terrible terrible and she deserves all the punishment coming her way.

laughing at inappropriate times tho? I do that too. I laugh when I feel awkward sometimes; it doesn't necessarily mean I'm having fun.


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My sentiments exactly. She didn't even wait for him to finish his sentence until she said "No it's not".

I thought that she was trying to make the joke teller feel better, by saying, "No, it's not." (Terrible).
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terrible terrible terrible and she deserves all the punishment coming her way.

laughing at inappropriate times tho? I do that too. I laugh when I feel awkward sometimes; it doesn't necessarily mean I'm having fun.

Yeah, the title seems a bit misguiding. I thought she would be laughing and saying mean things about what she did, but laughing at some "joke" someone else says doesn't surprise me, because it could just be an awkward reaction.


But then she said, really slow-like, like she meant it, "No, it's not." and that's what made me realize she had no remorse.
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I thought that she was trying to make the joke teller feel better, by saying, "No, it's not." (Terrible).

yeah, thats how i saw it too. to me that was a reaction sentence as well.
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