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#1 Old 08-24-2011, 04:46 AM
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i live about 6 miles outside the city, and i'm thinking about buying a generator and a 100 gallon tank for storing gasoline. is this crazy? if i did it, i'd be able to run my well pump, and enough appliances/lights to get by for a few weeks. the major threat here in florida is a devastating storm with extended loss of electricity.

am i just getting paranoid, or is this the prudent thing to do?
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#2 Old 08-24-2011, 09:23 AM
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I am in FL too and have a generator, but only small quantities of gas.

Yours is a big project to undertake and a bigger one to maintain....

First you need to check with your city or county as there are laws and regulations for that size tank.

Next you need to consider the safety issues. If you do the research, you will see there is a lot to consider with volatility....putting the tank on a slab, keeping it a certain distance from housing and any electricity, out of the sun. Not only is gas highly flammable, it is also heavier than air.

Gas also degrades quickly. You will either have to use it quickly or put in additives regularly.

Then there is the cost of installation and maintenance.

Finally is the environmental issues. You have to think about and prepare for spills, big or small.

If I were you I would go with a generator and skip the tank. That's what I have at my place, and I put gas in tanks only when a storm is looking certain and then use it up in my car once it passes.

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i was going to pour a slab under and build a roof over the gas tank. you'd have to turn the gas in the tank over once a year if you used stabilizer. true, it's a pain and that's all until you have a crisis, then it's a godsend, even for an agnostic .
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i live about 6 miles outside the city, and i'm thinking about buying a generator and a 100 gallon tank for storing gasoline. is this crazy? if i did it, i'd be able to run my well pump, and enough appliances/lights to get by for a few weeks. the major threat here in florida is a devastating storm with extended loss of electricity.

am i just getting paranoid, or is this the prudent thing to do?


It's a good idea assuming the devastating storm leaves you anything to power with it. My concern would be the storage tank itself being compromised by the storm...that could end up making things a whole lot worse depending on its location. Maybe smaller storage containers in seperate locations?

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Honestly, I'd rather worry about food/water/warm clothing than stuff that runs on gasoline/electricity.
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Florida is the Sunshine State. Does this give you any ideas?

For strict emergencies, like pumping water, you might consider a simple power inverter to hook to your car batteries. As you run the engine, it will change the 12-volt current to 110-volt AC. For a short period of time, it might be easier than having a separate system.

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i'm thinking more along the lines of a smalll generator with 20 gallons of gas now, instead of 100. that would give me 4-5 days. basically, i could really string it along with sporadic generator use.
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Florida is the Sunshine State. Does this give you any ideas?

Yeah, solar panels and a shed full of golf-cart batteries, were the first thing that came to my mind when reading the first post.
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Check your state's environmental laws.

Do you already use tank LP or gas for your house?
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Solar and wind seem to make more sense. Wind can be really cheap if you make your own wind turbine.

If I lived on a farm or something I sure as hell would be looking into a self built wind turbine. Ive read articles about one farmer in South Australia that built 2x and sells the power back to the power company! Id love o do that.
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Wind can be really cheap if you make your own wind turbine.

I've seen them made by using the brake drum and axle off large pickup trucks (along with other parts stuck inside and outside).
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If you plan on being the only one with gas in the middle of a crisis, surrounded by people who didn't plan ahead and do the same, I'd suggest being armed to the teeth as well

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Hi I am a florida girl too, and I understand your worry. I thnk a generator is a great idea, but not the gas tank. Too dangerous if a storm compromised it.

Alternately, if you have a car or 2, just fill them up before the storm and syphon as needed.

Also those decorative solar lawn lights work great in the house after dark!

Best wishes to those on whom this hurricane is bearing down!
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am i just getting paranoid, or is this the prudent thing to do?

hide your kids. hide your wife.

you just need to look at priorities. food and water first, who cares about running your lights? crank radio that can charge your phone maybe. a whole 72 hour kit in a camelbak style bag.

get a stripped ar-15 lower to start work on. just in case.

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If you plan on being the only one with gas in the middle of a crisis, surrounded by people who didn't plan ahead and do the same, I'd suggest being armed to the teeth as well

i sure wouldn't advertise that i had fuel .
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in 15 years, i'd like to be off the grid and have an electric car. i'm waiting for this to become cheap and practical. i've certainly got the room.

i'm thinking of going deisel instead of gas. nowhere near the danger storing diesel. diesel generators cost more, but it would sure be worth it in a crisis.
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I was also going to mention what nomad888 said. It's impossible to hide a loud generator when everyone else is out of electricity. In a crisis, people can get so crazy, I would worry about my safety from them! I say save your money because it would be very expensive to pour concrete, buy a tank, gasoline and a generator (and pay an electrician). If a crisis arises, use that money to get yourself to a better place. Besides, all that would only help you for a week.

It wouldn't hurt to keep a few gallons of gas in your shed, though. In my state a few years ago, we had a gas shortage for about a week and people really could not drive because there was no gas to buy. Plus, you could use the gasoline to set an angry mob on fire if needed.
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as i look into it more, i think propane is the way to go. storage is easy, expense is high. reliability outstanding.

probably what i'm gonna do is just get a used gas generator off craigslist and keep 20 gallons of gas (4 five gallon cans) stored in my boat (it's under a metal carport ). so it's out of the weather and off the ground. gotta be practical.

i'm so waiting for the opportunity to go solar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .
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It's impossible to hide a loud generator when everyone else is out of electricity.


Ugh.. I know. A neighbor of mine who lives on the other side of the neighborhood likes to start up his generator whenever the power goes out. It's so loud and annoying. It's rude.
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#20 Old 08-25-2011, 07:03 AM
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heh. after a bit of reading i'm thinking more about a propane generator with a few little tanks. i think that's about the cleanest way to do it, and you could do it for 400 or so. so now my craigslist challenge is scoring a $500 propane generator with little use for $250. .
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With your concerns, maybe investing in survival training would be a better use of your money.
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I'm from Florida as well and have been through a number of storms (Ivan included, which wrecked parts of the panhandle). While gas is a good thing to have, using it to power a range of appliances seems a bit much. It's a lot of effort and money that might be of better use elsewhere. We always kept enough enough gas for two things: To refill the truck and to power a small window ac every few hours.

Having transportation in an emergency is important and in the heat of the summer, so is staying cool. We would run a window unit in one of the bedrooms every few hours so we could slip in there and cool off. Everything else is pretty easy to get by without. People have already pointed out that solar lawn lights are great and I totally second that -they're much safer than candles and oil lamps, plus they don't run out of oil. Hand crank radios and camping stoves are also fantastic. We were able to do coffee and meals on our little coleman stove for well over a week, no problem. Just make sure you're stocked up on fresh water, first aid supplies, and non-refrigerated foods.

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Hoard some cobalt-60 and start a nuclear power generator. Your neighbors will LOVE that.

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NOt crazy at all. I've got a few gallons of gasoline stored around. And med kits, canned food, guns, etc. i'm ready for all you fools.

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Diesel generator might not be so bad. Run it on (used) vegetable oil like Rudolf Diesel originally intended.
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#26 Old 08-25-2011, 06:04 PM
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whatever i do has got to be reliable in a pinch. that's propane's calling card, reliability.

and i'm not talking about life or death. i'm talking about being able to limp by for a week or so till things get sorted out and the system was brought back up. it's easy to get carried away with this.
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Propane is also useful as a weapon in the event of a zombie outbreak. I've seen this demonstrated in more than a couple movies, and am kind of looking forward to it actually. It WILL happen.

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People have already pointed out that solar lawn lights are great and I totally second that -they're much safer than candles and oil lamps, plus they don't run out of oil.

According to Revelation, the sun will become as dark as sackcloth, so I'm not sure how well solar lights will perform. I'd rely on torches made from rags soaked in tung oil.
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