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#1 Old 08-18-2009, 12:07 PM
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So I've just been putting together some pictures to put in an old world map that I had framed, that I no longer have use for. I decided to reuse the frame and do some sort of collage of pictures.



Once I got everything set up I noticed that I was in every single picture, and it made me begin to wonder if I'm actually a narcissist.



Some definitions I have read imply that the word inherently means to excess, but others have just said things like self-love or such.



Do you think narcissism denotes excessive self-love, and if you do, what word would you use for non-excessive narcissism.



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#2 Old 08-18-2009, 12:10 PM
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I think narcissism is fine...but when it starts to harm others or dangerously turns into entitlement etc...then it's an issue.
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It depends on the degree of narcissism I think. More often than not, it's a very unattractive quality, especially if it occurs as the clinical disorder, but I have known someone who had a hint of it, used it to their advantage and it was sort of charismatic.

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I think that it is "extreme self love". I love myself (most days...lol) but not to the point where I love others less. As long as it doesn't progress to that, it's all good

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Self-love is good. Pride is pointless, in many cases, harmful.
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I think that it is "extreme self love". I love myself (most days...lol) but not to the point where I love others less. As long as it doesn't progress to that, it's all good



this is how I personally view it. It definitely isn't damaging anyone. I personally thought it was weird that I was in all the pictures.
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Narcissism is a term that I think implies eccess. It's amusing, if you're Yngwie Malmsteen or something, but not an attractive quality.



Self-love is fine, but I would find it very weird if I was in every photo on a collage.
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Narcissism is a term that I think implies eccess. It's amusing, if you're Yngwie Malmsteen or something, but not an attractive quality.



Self-love is fine, but I would find it very weird if I was in every photo on a collage.



even if you have no children or significant other, but your parents and siblings are in them as well?
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#10 Old 08-20-2009, 10:35 PM
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For me? No.

For everyone else? Yes.
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Self-love is good. Pride is pointless, in many cases, harmful.



Why is pride pointless? I have alot of pride in my son. Im proud when I do well at something. You have never been proud of anything?
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nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) KEY also nar·cism (-szm) KEY



NOUN:



1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.

2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem. 3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.



Number 2 concerns me as we have someone in a position of authority at work who exhibits these characteristics and it is negatively impacting some of the staff. There is a definite abuse of power and the need to control every situation.
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4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.





me. but sometimes it can get a little out of control

cry havoc! and let slip the dogs of war.
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There are different degrees of narcissism. I think everyone has at least a little bit of this trait, but some are much worse than others.



Extreme cases of it result in the narcissistic personality disorder. The definition for narcissistic personality disorder is complicated. There is more to true narcissism than ''self-love,'' though I don't have my psych notes with me to explain in more detail. Actually, someone with this disorder does not truly love themselves. Their self-esteem is very fragile, though they may not even realize it, and they cover it up by acting as if they love themselves, bragging about themselves etc.



I did used to know someone whom I strongly suspect was a true narcissist. He was a toxic person. He was charismatic, manipulative, and made people feel bad about themselves without them even realizing that it was him doing it. He was a scary person to be around for long periods of time. So to answer the title of the thread, no I do not think narcissism is ''bad'' but I do think it is bad and harmful for regular people to interact with a true narcissist. I think people who have this disorder should be pitied and need help, though I don't think they usually change.

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nar·cis·sism (närs-szm) KEY also nar·cism (-szm) KEY



NOUN:



1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit.

2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem. 3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.

4. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.



Number 2 concerns me as we have someone in a position of authority at work who exhibits these characteristics and it is negatively impacting some of the staff. There is a definite abuse of power and the need to control every situation.



Yes, that second one describes the personality disorder. That's the explanation I was having trouble putting into words.



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My dad, cousin and "friend" are narcissistic. They are EXTREMELY charming and nice, but care very little other people (they hide this). My dad just told me that he never loved me, which is no surprise. He THINKS he loves people and covers his feelings with charm.



It is SO easy to say that narcissists aren't inherently bad.

But how many of you are the child of a narcissist? Or the wife? Or the mother?



As the child, I can say that a narcissistic parent can ruin your life -forever-. They don't care if you don't have a bed to sleep on (as long as they have a bed!). They don't care if you only have one shirt to wear all year to school (as long as they are saving money for their retirement!).



My narcissistic "friend" makes comments like, "My fiance might be my soul mate, and then again they might not be. I might break it off with him tomorrow, just like I did with my last 3 fiances." They don't have any feelings for other people.



Obviously, it all depends on how narcissistic you are. My dad had the narcissistic disorder.
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#17 Old 08-23-2009, 10:41 AM
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Interesting subject. I personally do not respect narcissistic people. It's a sign of weakness in human behavior relatively linking to selfishness, and un-caring of others. My guess is, some of the most evil human beings are (were) narcissistic, such as Hitler,Saddam Hussein...
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