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#1 Old 10-16-2015, 02:38 AM
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To petition against Australian plans to kill 2 million feral cats

http://linkis.com/Tfsfg


'The Australian Government plans to kill over 2 million cats, with a $3.6m fund established to wipe colony cats off the face of the earth.

This high risk initiative includes a website designed to dob in colony cats and a number of cat eradication programs including baiting, shooting, dogs, traps and nearly every method of killing known.'


If you object to this please consider contacting your local Australian embassy or consulate or, if you're Australian, your local authorities.


There are also many online petitions. I don't know how much good they do but they must be better than nothing so here are some I've found:



https://www.change.org/p/avustralya-...ide-greghuntmp


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...million-cats-/


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...ustralia/#sign


https://www.change.org/p/hon-greg-hu...ats/u/10896713


https://www.change.org/p/hon-greg-hu...ats/u/11445708


https://www.change.org/p/australian-...ical-solutions


https://www.change.org/p/pour-que-po...0-c4ab8ecf8f85


https://www.change.org/p/greg-hunt-n...ecol%C3%B3gico


https://www.change.org/p/rspca-stop-betraying-animals


https://www.change.org/p/the-honoura...nde-declarar-p


https://www.change.org/p/tony-abbot-...2-million-cats


https://www.change.org/p/minister-fo...at-populations


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...8615&cid=fb_na


https://www.change.org/p/australian-...edium=copylink


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...9043&cid=fb_na


https://www.change.org/p/the-governm...-birth-control


http://forcechange.com/145469/dont-murder-feral-cats/


http://www.thepetitionsite.com/en-gb...n-war-on-cats/


Please believe me that this isn't anti-Australian in intention. The country itself isn't the target, just the campaign.

Thank you!
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http://www.mesopinions.com/petition/...ate-cats/15262
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Keep in mind that feral cats are an invasive species no doubt damaging local ecosystems and harming local wildlife populations. People protesting killing them need to have a plan about what to do with them BESIDES killing them. They wouldn't be doing large scale, expensive, complex eradication programs if the cats weren't bothering anything or were a minor nuisance. Might get you a bit farther and help convince authorities to implement an alternative, less-cruel plan of action rather than to just allow the cats to keep doing harm.
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Keep in mind that feral cats are an invasive species no doubt damaging local ecosystems and harming local wildlife populations. People protesting killing them need to have a plan about what to do with them BESIDES killing them. They wouldn't be doing large scale, expensive, complex eradication programs if the cats weren't bothering anything or were a minor nuisance. Might get you a bit farther and help convince authorities to implement an alternative, less-cruel plan of action rather than to just allow the cats to keep doing harm.
Spay/neuter does work.

Your argument is used by humans every time they create a problem - simply kill the problem we have created.

It's sad to see veg*ns buying into that "solution."
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Spay/neuter does work.

Your argument is used by humans every time they create a problem - simply kill the problem we have created.

It's sad to see veg*ns buying into that "solution."
I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
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I don't know how legitimate this is, but former PETA co-director Alex Pacheco has an organization to research / fund a one-dose oral contraceptive for stray dogs. I am skeptical, of course, but this would be a very humane way to prevent stray dog overpopulation: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/spa...ion-stray-dogs .

I would worry about such a drug falling into the wrong hands. You wouldn't want it to be fed to wild animals, for instance, nor to humans (without their consent).

Although this is a very different situation, the rate of dog and cat euthanization in Los Angeles has plummeted over the last 40 years. In 1971, Los Angeles euthanized about 111,000 dogs and cats. In 2008-2009, this figure had dropped 15,200. Still too many, but what a difference! http://www.dailynews.com/general-new...nimal-shelters

Equal time: Criticism of L.A. County animal shelters: http://www.laweekly.com/news/bad-dog...-pound-2612213
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I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
The biggest threat to any threatened native species is always the one species which has historically had the highest success rate as an invasive species, and yet no one ever suggests "culling" that species. That species is of course humans.
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I don't know how legitimate this is, but former PETA co-director Alex Pacheco has an organization to research / fund a one-dose oral contraceptive for stray dogs. I am skeptical, of course, but this would be a very humane way to prevent stray dog overpopulation: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/spa...ion-stray-dogs .

I would worry about such a drug falling into the wrong hands. You wouldn't want it to be fed to wild animals, for instance, nor to humans (without their consent).
I can think of a whooooole lot of people I'd like to see get it-with or without their consent, or knowledge. To be honest...
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I never said that killing them was a preferred or even the best solution, I said a better, less cruel solution was needed. The reality is you aren't going to get very far if you campaign to just leave them to attack and kill wildlife/disrupt the local ecosystem.

I also don't agree spay/neuter is the most effective solution either. It's too big of a problem and the cost to trap and fix them all would be exorbitant. All it takes is a small number of animals to evade capture and you have enough to "repopulate". Not to mention an additional 10-12 years of ecological damage before big numbers begin dying of natural causes. Cats are in no danger of going extinct, but many of Australia's native species are, sadly due to non-native species (not just cats) brought in by humans. I don't know what a better solution would be, and I do hope a less cruel method is found, but what is to be done about the wildlife that is being killed or their habitat being disrupted by all these cats? Are the venerable and endangered native species suppose to be less important according to the vegan agenda?
Trap spay and neuter does work. It isn't going to stop all feral strays, but over time, the populations will plummet. Too bad if it costs money (more than the $3.6 million they are budgeting for the annihilation?), people created the problem and must fix it. Slaughtering innocent cats is a disgusting "solution".

I hate the term "invasive species". Humans brought them there, we are the cause. We are the invaders and must find humane ways to help the environment. Cats are just as venerable as any other creature.
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and yet no one ever suggests "culling" that species. That species is of course humans.
Speak for yourself! I'd suggest we start with pedophiles, rapists, serial killers and child abusers/killers personally.

And again, I never said anywhere that killing cats was a good solution (where did I say that???). I simply said there needs to be MORE focus on saving endangered/threatened species than the cats (which I believe) and that if no alternative solutions are brought forward, the powers that be aren't going to listen. The first priority with limited financial resources needs to be unique species that play an important role in local ecosystems.

An "alternative" solution could be trapping venerable native species that cats eat/kill in high enough numbers to preserve the species and putting them in wildlife sanctuaries with captive breeding programs geared towards eventual release to the wild or carefully maintained reserves that keep invasive predators out. THEN deal with getting cat populations down once you've taken the venerable species out of the equation. Perhaps vegan and animal welfare groups could raise the money to fund the spay/neutering programs of the feral cats. You don't need to kill the cats, but just spaying/neutering them and leaving them to continue to kill venerable species as they die off naturally isn't a good solution either.

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Has anyone heard anything?

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Interesting, I didn't know this thread was here. We have another thread talking about this issue as well.

https://www.veggieboards.com/forum/12...ml#post3902169
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Twitter accounts you could contact (whether you disagree with them completely or with their methods) include:

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https://twitter.com/tscommissioner

https://twitter.com/envirogov

Emails include: [email protected]

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Greg Hunt can also be contacted through his site: http://www.greghunt.com.au/Contact/ContactGreg.aspx
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I can think of a whooooole lot of people I'd like to see get it-with or without their consent, or knowledge. To be honest...
Really? You aren't pro-choice?

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Neutered cats are still predating local species. It really is not a solution unless we also park them all. But then we still need to feed them until the population decreases and those animals eat meat.

Kiwi doesn't say killing them is the best solution. I do. It is not a good solution but I can't think of a better one. Though I wouldn't kill them myself because I don't have the guts.
Well, the millions of cats did not appear there overnight, so no one can expect an immediate solution. Trap, spay, neuter, release will decrease the cat population gradually. Slaughtering them all is a revolting idea.

In England years ago when the cats were killed, the rats multiplied and spread the Plague. We humans do not have all the answers....
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Well, the millions of cats did not appear there overnight, so no one can expect an immediate solution. Trap, spay, neuter, release will decrease the cat population gradually. Slaughtering them all is a revolting idea.

In England years ago when the cats were killed, the rats multiplied and spread the Plague. We humans do not have all the answers....
I know I've said all this before, but again the "trap, neuter, release" option is not a viable one for our situation, it can't be implemented and it would never work. I explained it all in the other thread, but if you want me to go into detail of why again then I can here as well.
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I know I've said all this before, but again the "trap, neuter, release" option is not a viable one for our situation, it can't be implemented and it would never work. I explained it all in the other thread, but if you want me to go into detail of why again then I can here as well.
Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.
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Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.

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Ok. I get that it isn't as fast a "solution" as the "final solution" of killing millions of sentient animals in cruel and painful ways.

But these days did not spontaneously appear. The problem took years for humans to cause, and it and will take years to fix.
Yes but your solution will equal the full destruction of dozens of native animal species, to complete extinction and they will NEVER be seen again, all for the sake of cats who are in no way a threatened species and can be found on almost every country on Earth. It's a hard choice I know, but if I have to choose between keeping more cats alive in this country, or you know, not letting dozens more species of animals completely disappear forever then I know what I'm going to choose.

This is a very hard thing to explain to people who don't know a lot about environmental conservation and invasive species, sometimes you have to think with your head over your heart, it sucks but if we don't do the hard thing disaster can occur from our choices, and as you pointed out, it already has. Now we have to fix our mistakes before it gets to the stage that we can't fix it (that would be complete extinction).

Also, the solutions our Government are talking about would take years to implement, the solution you are talking about would take decades.
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Yes but your solution will equal the full destruction of dozens of native animal species, to complete extinction and they will NEVER be seen again, all for the sake of cats who are in no way a threatened species and can be found on almost every country on Earth. It's a hard choice I know, but if I have to choose between keeping more cats alive in this country, or you know, not letting dozens more species of animals completely disappear forever then I know what I'm going to choose.

This is a very hard thing to explain to people who don't know a lot about environmental conservation and invasive species, sometimes you have to think with your head over your heart, it sucks but if we don't do the hard thing disaster can occur from our choices, and as you pointed out, it already has. Now we have to fix our mistakes before it gets to the stage that we can't fix it (that would be complete extinction).

Also, the solutions our Government are talking about would take years to implement, the solution you are talking about would take decades.
I'm quite aware about environmental conservation and the killing of invasive species. I live in Florida, where we have a great climate that supports many invasive species. I do not agree with killing some animals so that others can live. It is the fault of humans that the species have been introduced. Kill the cats and other bad stuff will happen, I guarantee it. You'll be culling some invasive species that the cats used to eat.
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This thread is making me ill. Literally.
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Extinction matters to us humans because WE are losing something. The last polar bear alive will be lonely because he doesn't have a companion of his own kind. He will not, however, know that he is the last of his species. All of the polar bears who will die between now and the last polar bear will die bad, slow, lingering deaths from starvation, and that is, in each case, a terrible individual tragedy. But we, who caused it, will feel sad for ourselves because there will be no polar bears left.

It's our obligation to refrain from causing harm by introducing non-native species, by our consumerism that destroys habitat, etc. But to slaughter millions of cats WE have introduced into the environment and were to lazy/cheap/uncaring to spay/neuter?! If you support that, then YOU don't care about animals, and you should be pointing the finger directly at yourself.

I'm done with this thread. In fact, I think I'm going to take a hiatus from this board, because frankly, I don't want to spend my time hanging out with people who have this kind of mindset.
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You don't agree with killing some animals so that others can live? You know that in this incidence, by saying that your basically supporting complete mass extinction of dozens of animal species that are found nowhere else on Earth, in favour on one of the world's most populous animals. That's pretty backwards if you ask me. Extinction is final, we are talking about losing species forever, and you are supporting that. What you are saying is confusing me now, "you will be culling species that cats used to eat". The cats eat our local native species, we are culling the cats, not the native ones. I don't even know what your trying to say here, maybe it's just worded wrong and I missed something but right now I am very confused. Also this entire situation is cat owners fault to begin with. They pretend to care about cats so much but they are the ones who caused of all this by letting their cats roam free around neighbourhoods for years to do as they please. If cat owners had just kept their cats contained, the way everyone else does with every other type of pet, then we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with. But honestly trying to talk to most cat owners about this issue is like banging your head into a brick wall. They are stupid and ignorant.

I've honestly never met anyone else who pretends to care about animals but so openly supports mass extinction.
When you kill one species you often expose other problems the species you've removed were controlling. Your focus on the native species is giving you tunnel vision to the overall problem Killing the cats isn't going to offer any more of a solution than TNS. It's most likely a worse scenario because it offers a quick and false remedy. When cats (in particular) numbers are diminished they go out of their way to increase the numbers in that area, why males are known for roaming. they'll breed more and, will be killed more
the idea of killing the cats is similar to killing wolves to increase the numbers of prey animals. When the prey animals increase in inordinate numbers then it's their turn to die and the cycle turns.
We are not cats natural predators and it's useless to try and act like are. the most intellegent decision is to manage their numbers in humane actions. It's our problem we caused, our solution can only be found in changing ourselves, not other species
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When you kill one species you often expose other problems the species you've removed were controlling. Your focus on the native species is giving you tunnel vision to the overall problem Killing the cats isn't going to offer any more of a solution than TNS. It's most likely a worse scenario because it offers a quick and false remedy. When cats (in particular) numbers are diminished they go out of their way to increase the numbers in that area, why males are known for roaming. they'll breed more and, will be killed more
the idea of killing the cats is similar to killing wolves to increase the numbers of prey animals. When the prey animals increase in inordinate numbers then it's their turn to die and the cycle turns.
We are not cats natural predators and it's useless to try and act like are. the most intellegent decision is to manage their numbers in humane actions. It's our problem we caused, our solution can only be found in changing ourselves, not other species
Yeah but the cats aren't controlling any other species. There's lengthy studies undertaken over the course of 20+ years to prove this. The cats kill native animals, they might take out another invasive species every now and then, like a rabbit, but that isn't enough to outweigh the sheer amount of damage they are doing to native animals, which is damaging to the point of extinction.

We have tried managing their numbers in humane methods already, we tried it for YEARS, we tried dozens of different methods.

You are talking about wolves in America, another person was talking about polar bears.

I'm talking about cats in Australia, I'm from Australia, I've lived here my entire life and I've been following/researching and living through this issue personally for years, so I'm finding it kind of hilarious that everyone is pretending to actually know more about this situation than me. It's very easy to sit back in another country unaffected by an issue and give uneducated opinions, but if you come here and actually witness what we are seeing every single day, and actually educate yourself on this matter then you'd realise how all your humane answers aren't going to work.

So no, you can't just compare this situation to hunting wolves for more prey animals, wolves are native and they are hunting farm animals. This is a completely different situation. They are so far apart from being related it's just crazy.
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Killing millions of cats is disgusting. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of people out there finding ways to kill them. I am vegan. There is no excuse.
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Extinction matters to us humans because WE are losing something. The last polar bear alive will be lonely because he doesn't have a companion of his own kind. He will not, however, know that he is the last of his species. All of the polar bears who will die between now and the last polar bear will die bad, slow, lingering deaths from starvation, and that is, in each case, a terrible individual tragedy. But we, who caused it, will feel sad for ourselves because there will be no polar bears left.

It's our obligation to refrain from causing harm by introducing non-native species, by our consumerism that destroys habitat, etc. But to slaughter millions of cats WE have introduced into the environment and were to lazy/cheap/uncaring to spay/neuter?! If you support that, then YOU don't care about animals, and you should be pointing the finger directly at yourself.

I'm done with this thread. In fact, I think I'm going to take a hiatus from this board, because frankly, I don't want to spend my time hanging out with people who have this kind of mindset.
This. And don't leave, Joe, just avoid this horrible thread.
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"But a recent study shows that culling can backfire badly. Wildlife biologists in Tasmania decided to test their ability to reduce abundance of feral cats. They surveyed cats in four large areas of native forest, and then trapped and removed animals for a year in two of those areas.

This seemed to go really well: at first they caught lots of cats, then trap success rapidly dropped off, suggesting most cats had been removed. The problem was that monitoring with remote cameras showed that as resident cats were taken out even more new cats appeared. These newcomers did not enter traps. As a result the abundance of cats actually went up in areas being trapped.

This is not an isolated bit of weirdness: similar effects have been found elsewhere. For example, a study of ferrets on a British island showed that trapping and removal resulted in a doubling of the size of the ferret population over pre-culling levels.
What went wrong?

What seems to have happened in these cases is that young animals quickly moved in from surrounding areas to replace dominant adults removed in the cull. Most of these young animals would normally have died. The sudden increase in their survival allowed abundance to overshoot pre-cull levels.

The challenge this creates for pest managers is a bit like the one faced by Hercules when he was told to go and slay the hydra, a monstrous many-headed serpent which sprouted two heads in place of each one that Hercules cut off...." continues here http://theconversation.com/culling-p...han-good-40702
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Yes there has been problems, there's been several national parks on the mainland, as well as in Tasmania where some amount of culling has resulted in an increase in population in isolated areas. That's why researchers are constantly trying to figure out more effective ways of doing this. The excuse of "I'm vegan" in this case is laughable. You can't pretend that you care about animals, then sit back and be fine with doing nothing about this situation at all.

So by your theory, we need to sit back, put our feet up, and watch native animals die, watch them become endangered, watch them become extinct, forever, then when they are gone, we sit back and watch cats take out the next species, and the next species, which is what they are already doing and have been doing for years. You CANNOT pretend to "care" about animals, then be fine with that. I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way. Anyone with half a brain and even a grain of knowledge about this situation can see that.

And you know what, anyone who does let their cat free roam is a dickhead anyway. Do you know what the anti-free roam people are trying to support? They are trying to support keeping cats safe. When cats are allowed to do whatever the hell they want and walk all around the neighbourhood, they are at risk of injury from fights with other cats an animals, at risk of ingesting poison, at risk of getting lost, at risk of getting hit by a car. This isn't just about protecting native animals, but pet cats as well. So if we can get the current domesticated population under control, and maintained inside houses and cat-runs, then eliminate the wild feral populations this issue wouldn't even exist. But it DOES, because cat's are "cute". Just because they are a popular pet and many consider them cute the issue of how bloodthirsty and destructive they are has been overlooked for so long. And people like all the idiots on this board keep protecting them, pretending to be "animal lovers", but in the mean time this protection is the leading cause of death, endangerment and extinction for wild animals. So if you think your doing a good thing for animals by protecting cats then think again, because your just bloody confused idiotic cretins.

Globally, cats have already been responsible for the complete extinction of 33 animals species. But you know, they are cute, so why should we care right?

By the way, this isn't an Australian-only issue, domestic and feral cats and the stupidity and ignorance of their owners is a global problem, and these so-called "cat lovers" are letting their pets destroy millions of animals, which doesn't seem very vegan to me.

If you want links then try these ones.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5979891/domes...ing-ecosystems

http://www.australiangeographic.com....blem-with-cats

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21236690

http://www.ecology.com/2013/08/27/gl...ct-feral-cats/

http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal...comms2380.html

http://www.abc.net.au/environment/ar...13/4104768.htm

http://www.livescience.com/26670-cat...s-animals.html

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...irds-each-year

Want some more information? I can give it to you, it's all out there, and it has been for years. The problem is fake "animal lovers" like yourself would rather turn the other way and pretend to be ignorant rather than realising there's no easy answer to this situation. It's much easier to just sit back and let the planet go to **** rather than actually taking a stand and trying to help it isn't it. So much easier to bury your head in the sand and ignore whats happening.
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Not one person here suggested ignoring the issue, or that it wasn't a problem. We've outlined other longterm solutions, and the possible disaster killing millions of one species could cause, along with failing to resolve anything.
Trying to eradicate cats from overtaking over is much like spraying chemicals on ants while leaving crumbs out and not sealing access areas. As ledboots and I said, any animal species will struggle to increase their numbers.

Cats do not invade. this isn't a cat problem but a human problem. More species go extinct every day from human invasion (who are BTW the main invasive species). Do you also support mandatory abortions to control the human population? Using your logic that would do more good than killing other species.
@Crouton - name calling is against the terms of service. Did you really not expect vegans to oppose killing animals? I'll leave it to you to think about editing your post.

We're not expected to all agree here, but when a tread is obviously going to be controversial people should think about keeping discussion civil.
You're the one picking and choosing which animals live or die. Other animals don't choose to invade, they don't travel by themselves. Why do you feel killing of millions of cats, which would be a constant thing, is more favorable than cats killing animals for food? You're the one being speciest here choosing one animals life over anothers
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