Originally Posted by Naturebound
I hope she stays too silva. I sense in her posts that she is really thinking about vegetarianism and the issues surrounding eating fish and is on the fence, which is why I chose to leave her posts here.
(I hope the tag works I'm the worst with all this technical stuff!)
Thank you guys
as I said I was absolutely not meaning to promote meat eating! And hearing some people understood it that way and were affronted really made me bad for days!
I'm new here and if I wrote in a way that came across inappropriate, once again I'm so sorry.
To explain why I wrote what I wrote I want to say that I'm very, VERY passionate about animal rights and everyone close to me knows that. I eat about 90% vegan, and when eating un-vegan, I'm very conscious of choosing ethical-options of eggs and fish. I have always been very interested in it and I'm trying to raise awareness of the problem. Initially, some of my relatives really probably thought I was a bit nuts (in a good way though, I think) and the food culture is quite heavy on dairy and meat. But then again, not too long ago most people here were farmers, and eating mostly just home-produced stuff and with little growing here in the winter I think it's natural. My grandparents were farmers and my aunt and uncle are still keeping the family farm up part-time and they also do a lot of fishing and stuff like that.
My biggest issue with meat and dairy and all animal products is mass-production and the cruel treatment it involves, plus the surplus of it these days. And the lack of appreciation. I understand that my Grandma's view is different from mine as she grew up when it wasn't an issue and hew experience is completely different — stuff grown on an own farm (though I'm not personally quite okay with consuming that either), or even better, wild stuff isn't at all the same as how most animal products are made today (which is just apalling).
But when the beginner of the thread asked about health, I just thought it would make more sense to mention things that might explain why fish is often both promoted and advised against by experts from a purely health perspective. BUT I truly understand if you want to keep that kind of conversation out of here! I really just thought it from a different perspective — trying to answer why the conversation and advise may be so contradictory and messy. But I'm very sorry maybe I expressed myself little bit wrong. Also, why I didn't really think was that in Finland, meat is usually thought of as red and white meat and fish and seafood is another thing (or at least that's how most people around me think of it). But I'm sorry it didn't occur to me of course that's not so everywhere. Just explaining that I wasn't trying to do anything that's not accepted here.
Ethical questions are of course another topic, but if I talk about health with a friend or someone, I just talk about it in as unbiased way as possible, and then make my ethical decisions. Why I don't eat red and white meat and dairy is mostly about ethical issues, though I also feel better without it. But if someone wants to discuss the health aspects of those, I can talk about the good and the bad in them even if I personally don't eat them, but I also want to respect if people don't want to hear about that here, I can of course leave it out of these conversations or just not take part in those
but personally, I think it's important to be conscious of what you're leaving out so you can replace it and still have balanced nutrition
but as I said, I will of course respect whatever way you prefer to do it here
just meant that all this doesn't mean I support such things (though I respect that every person has their own perspective and make their own conclusions and I will never be found judging that.)
I'm very happy to hear someone say they hope I'll stay, it's very wonderful to connect with other like-minded people! As I mentioned, vegetarianism and veganism aren't too common here and most people don't really get it in my experience and I'm sometimes very self-conscious about it especially with my family&relatives as it's so different from their way of eating and dinners together are really precious to me and we spend a lot of time together. But though I think they accept my decisions, it's a bit confusing for them I think and sometimes there isn't anything meat and dairy-free and it's a stupid that I eat just salad
though increasingly they are always making something vegetarian for me and I really appreciate it though I sometimes worry I'm causing them extra work. Anyway though I like to talk about health and talk about it objectively I also try to be as ethical as I simply can and that always been how I am but I'm learning everyday and like to keep my mind and heart open