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#1 Old 07-25-2008, 09:22 PM
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Sorry to post such gore here and I'm not sure if its been mentioned before.

This may not just be confined to China but much of it happens there.

Warning, this page contains highly graphic material that will make you feel more sick and angry that you can imagine. It makes factory farming look innocent.

I do not suggest tracking down videos of these monstrous acts online as they can be found and they may end up putting you in jail if you go on a rampage to find the perpetrators...



http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/525853
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I dare not look. I read part of the stuff before the picture and could not go further.
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Probably a wise idea if you want to keep your food down. Still, it is only by confronting this that we can work towards stopping it. How, I dont know. There is no rule in china.



If anyone knows of anyone succesfully working on these cases please post here. I believe they caught just one person some time ago but that is all I've heard.
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O. M. G! I know I was warned, but I wish I hadn't looked at that. That is truly disgusting beyond belief....I hope they catch this woman....what posesses people to do this? Urgh....
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Money

People are paying to watch this like they pay to watch porn. There are websites dedicated to these crimes which goes to show just how many sick, putrid people there are in this world.



Here are 3 articles discussing it:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/ma...e.tonythompson

http://www.animalrighter.org/animalabuseinternet.html

http://www.scaashanghai.org/Animal_W...t_Killer.shtml
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Apparently with the animal snuff films, the idea is that you ejaculate at the moment when the animal dies. It's all about the contrast between doing something which gives life and seeing it taken away. That's what people say. I never watch them, I don't like them.'



WTF! What happened in these people's childhoods to make them so twisted? Would be a shame if the same thing happened to them. Sheesh. Makes my skin crawl with disgust and horror.
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wtf is wrong with people.



I couldn't make it though the first paragraph of the animalrighter article before feeling ill and having to stop reading.



-shudder- is right
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This is the most horrifying thing ever. I have actually seen one of these videos about 2 years ago (online) and the images still haunt me.



These people are truly psychotic!! I cannot believe that there is ANY interset in this type of thing, and that it would generate ANY income!!



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Just shows how many sadistic people there are in the world.

The sad thing is that there is simply no law against it in china any many other countries and as such the villians torturing these animals aren't being investigated or found.
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O. M. G! I know I was warned, but I wish I hadn't looked at that. That is truly disgusting beyond belief....I hope they catch this woman....what posesses people to do this? Urgh....

they did catch her, not the police. renrou (person ren 人 meat rou 肉). that will be helpful knowledge at a chinese restaurant too.

我想吃人肉。



http://infotech.indiatimes.com/Perso...ow/3222823.cms



wang jue from hangzhou, what are you going to do lynch her?



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The sad thing is that there is simply no law against it in china any many other countries and as such the villians torturing these animals aren't being investigated or found.

they are being found and harassed. Crush porn wasn't illegal until recently in the US as well.

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What is wrong with people



I wouldn't have been able to read all that - it's heartbreaking.
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Oh god I should have listened, but no I looked at the pictures. Horrid. Completely, totally, utterly disgusting. I don't think there are any words to describe how.. how... god there isn't.



China really needs to look at its laws
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Sorry to scar you for life
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Ha no I'm not scarred. It's just in the list of terrible things.



Seriously though what can be done about it? Are we powerless?
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how many executions in china? no official statistics.

this link has graphic photos and some raw commentary from free republic members.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1350794/posts

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It is unbelievable that the mass media are reporting on the Olympics and NEVER mention the real goings on in China. Both the animal and human abuse.

This world is so f*d up.
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Hi - I'm new to this forum and stumbled across it by Google Alert emailing me a link to this discussion. I'm afraid to admit that I'm sometimes very ashamed to be apart of the human race. Whilst there are many compassionate and caring people, there are far too many who somehow enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others, whether they be animals or people. It's very sad.
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It is unbelievable that the mass media are reporting on the Olympics and NEVER mention the real goings on in China. Both the animal and human abuse.

This world is so f*d up.



The real China is not what is found in the western media by any means. Have you ever actually been there?
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The real China is not what is found in the western media by any means. Have you ever actually been there?



Does defending China's reprehensible human and animal rights record make you feel better about going to the Olympics and spending your money there?
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Does defending China's reprehensible human and animal rights record make you feel better about going to the Olympics and spending your money there?

there is a difference between what happens and what happens with state endorsement. it's not like this is a "animal abuse industry" with government consent or ownership like the entire formal economy of china. what would the chinese think of america if they saw our a few blackmarket crush porn videos and the animal rescue tv show? the child beggar "industry" of india is not a reason to not visit india.

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Does defending China's reprehensible human and animal rights record make you feel better about going to the Olympics and spending your money there?



what a ridiculous response to something I didn't say in my post. the person to whom I responded made a generalization and i have a feeling that the person has little knowledge about the nation that he generalized about, so I asked if he had actually been there to see how much he actually knows about what 'really' goes on there.



since you ask, I am quite happy to be going to China and will enjoy seeing it once again, talking with the people that live there and gaining even more knowledge regarding what the country is actually about. at least i will know what i am talking about, unlike many that pretend to know.



finally, i bet you spend money in Canada. by your logic you then support the clubbing to death of baby seals.
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The real China is not what is found in the western media by any means.



Right. I can't remember the last time I saw anything in the Western media on the torture of the Fulan Gong or the Tiananmen prisoners still being held 19 years later.
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No I haven't been to China and Im not generalising. Sure, there are animal abuses in all countries but there are no LAWS for animals in China. The only animal they go out of their way to protect is the Panda. It does not take Einstein to see that China is responsible for the extinction or near extinction of animals such as the tiger and many african animals due to the use of their parts for medicine.



Im sure there are some very lovely people in China, in fact I know there are. I dont think I've ever met a nasty Chinese person in Australia. There are also many people in China stepping out of the mould and joining animal rights groups.



I would love to go to China as I think the landscape is beautiful. Unfortunately I would not feel comfortable in a country where I know there are bears being kept on bile farms, dogs and cats being skinned alive and a myriad of other animal abuses going on not far from me. Just the same as I would not be able to visit some places in Thailand due to their abuse of elephants... if I were in the country I'd feel the need to help but what can a foreigner do? Not much.



This thread is talking about a case of animal abuse, it never made a sweeping generalistion about China. These are just the facts.



There seems to be a wall of science with the media when it comes to reporting human and animal abuse in China. Foreign trade is probably the biggest reason for this - how many western countries now rely on China as a major part of their economy? Whether its importing cheap goods or exporting coal, many countries are making a killing from trading with China. Therefore China has half the world under its thumb.
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No I haven't been to China and Im not generalising. Sure, there are animal abuses in all countries but there are no LAWS for animals in China. The only animal they go out of their way to protect is the Panda. It does not take Einstein to see that China is responsible for the extinction or near extinction of animals such as the tiger and many african animals due to the use of their parts for medicine.



Im sure there are some very lovely people in China, in fact I know there are. I dont think I've ever met a nasty Chinese person in Australia. There are also many people in China stepping out of the mould and joining animal rights groups.



I would love to go to China as I think the landscape is beautiful. Unfortunately I would not feel comfortable in a country where I know there are bears being kept on bile farms, dogs and cats being skinned alive and a myriad of other animal abuses going on not far from me. Just the same as I would not be able to visit some places in Thailand due to their abuse of elephants... if I were in the country I'd feel the need to help but what can a foreigner do? Not much.



This thread is talking about a case of animal abuse, it never made a sweeping generalistion about China. These are just the facts.



There seems to be a wall of science with the media when it comes to reporting human and animal abuse in China. Foreign trade is probably the biggest reason for this - how many western countries now rely on China as a major part of their economy? Whether its importing cheap goods or exporting coal, many countries are making a killing from trading with China. Therefore China has half the world under its thumb.



yes you did make a sweeping generalization and it was evident from it that you had little idea what the country is actually like. there is no denying that there are those that practice animal cruelty in China. China was largely a developing nation in most areas until relatively recently. the lack of animal welfare laws has much to do with that, not with some purposeful evil on the part of the Chinese or its government. things change slowly but there are stirrings by some in China against the cruel practices that some engage in. your posts came across as self-righteous condemnations of the Chinese. i doubt you title threads about animal cruelty in Australia utilizing Australia in the heading. it seems that usually that tactic is reserved for China.



there is much more dissent tolerated in China than is portrayed in the Western media and much more activism on the part of its citizenry than is widely known. the changes brought about by the economic and technological advances of the past 20 years are starting to affect the ability of the government to engage in the type of total domination it once practiced so easily. it will take some time, but as the education level of the population increases, political liberalization is pretty much inevitable. likewise, a better awareness of animal cruelty probably will result from a more educated population. the nation is really only beginning to open up to much of the world. that will have dramatic effects in a relatively short time. in short, i think using a little restraint when creating a thread would show an understanding that certain practices don't represent all citizens of a nation and would be far less self-righteous. after all, animal cruelty is a world-wide problem.
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Right. I can't remember the last time I saw anything in the Western media on the torture of the Fulan Gong or the Tiananmen prisoners still being held 19 years later.



there hasn't been much talk in the Western media about the USA hiding prisoners from the Red Cross or the USA's refusal to allow investigations regarding its rendition of prisoners to other nations for torture.



please show me where i have defended China's mistreatment of prisoners or minorities. then maybe your response might have some relevance to what i stated.
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there hasn't been much talk in the Western media about the USA hiding prisoners from the Red Cross or the USA's refusal to allow investigations regarding its rendition of prisoners to other nations for torture.



It's hard to find a harsher critic than myself of the police state America is quickly becoming. Nice to see you agreeing.



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please show me where i have defended China's mistreatment of prisoners or minorities. then maybe your response might have some relevance to what i stated.



This makes no sense. I simply agreed that the China depicted by the Western media is not accurate. In fact, it's much worse.
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there is a difference between what happens and what happens with state endorsement. it's not like this is a "animal abuse industry" with government consent or ownership like the entire formal economy of china. what would the chinese think of america if they saw our a few blackmarket crush porn videos and the animal rescue tv show? the child beggar "industry" of india is not a reason to not visit india.



No one said that this perversion happens with active state endorsement. However, in North America we have laws that say if you know a crime is being committed and do nothing, you are as guilty as the perpetrator and are called an accomplice. The government of China is in all likelihood not unaware, just as the government of India is not unaware. And in Canada, we bludgeon little seals to death and force feed ducks (as do other countries)to create edible diseased body parts (how disgusting) and in every other country there are atrocities I'm sure. The original post showed a Chinese (?) woman torturing a kitten, which ultimately brings to mind the bear bile farms, cat and dog markets, Chinese fur farms where animals are skinned alive, not to mention prisoners who are reputed to have been executed so that their organs may be harvested.



It is up to people like us, to make others aware of both the brutality regardless of where it originates, and not attempt to whitewash it with assertions of it being cultural and to encourage/insist that the government start enacting animal protection laws.



At one time it was an accepted cultural practice to own slaves. Someone had to stand up and say it was wrong before it had a hope of changing. Hopefully, one day, these types of atrocities will no longer be so prevalent in the Asian countries, but it will be necessary to call a spade a spade before that comes about.
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[there is much more dissent tolerated in China than is portrayed in the Western media and much more activism on the part of its citizenry than is widely known. the changes brought about by the economic and technological advances of the past 20 years are starting to affect the ability of the government to engage in the type of total domination it once practiced so easily.}





Tell that to the Tibetans.









interestingly, my husband just advised me that the email I sent to the Maritime Chinese embassy, regarding the horrible video and the need for animal protection laws just bounced back. At least if you contact the Canadian government about the horrible seal hunt, they have the decency to respond to you. What does that say about the Chinese government?
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It says they are communist and they can do what they want. If they want to close down all communication, they will do it. They have done an unbelievable job of clearing the streets of Beijing for these Olympics so the blind mass media can report on what a wonderful place it is, besides the smog which cant be trapped in a tiny cage and locked in tin sheds to die or bludgeoned to death because they are in the way (this happened to the cats of Beijing recently).

I feel sorry for organisations like Animals Asia working in China. They are surrounded by these horrors but if they put a foot 'wrong' (ie speak their mind) they will be kicked out of the country.



No one is saying all Chinese people are bad, but there is a definite generaly lack of respect for animals in that country more so than in many other countries. Until the large majority of Chinese residents are educated and are able to be exposed to the horrors going on in their country, there is little chance of anything changing. If that did happen though, I wonder what the government would do with a 1 billion strong protest march... I'd love to see that
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