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#1 Old 02-06-2006, 08:43 PM
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The Jains wear masks so they don't inhale any bugs accidentally and sweep any seat they sit on so they do not crush any insects. But what if the founders had known of microorganisms?



From what I have seen on these forums it is wrong to kill and dissect frogs, but is it wrong to kill and disect an earthworm?



Where do we draw the line? At what point of complexity in the genome code do animals gain their privilaged status as something we will go out of our way to keep from killing? Is the gasoline burning in our car disrespectful flesh of the microorganisms that compose it?



As vegetarians, our goal is to bring animals out of their shackles of oppression but where do we go from there. Are animals to be held to the same standards of morality that we are? Should a dog realize that the flesh he is ripping apart once came from a living, breathing, caring cow? How do you fellow vegetarians address these issues that have been bothering me?
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#2 Old 02-06-2006, 09:34 PM
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I dunno man, I don't squish bugs anymore, but I also don't bother to avoid products containing carmine. I guess I'm a hypocrite.



Anyway, everyone has to draw their own line. You're the one who has to wake up with yourself every morning.
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Are animals to be held to the same standards of morality that we are? Should a dog realize that the flesh he is ripping apart once came from a living, breathing, caring cow?



Are you for real? (just had to ask)



Dogs don't have the cognitive ability to achieve the realization you mention. Humans do.
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Why is this your first post?



I think the exact position of the line is somewhere between microorganisms and chimpanzees. I draw the line at consciousness.

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do mice have consciousness, how about earthworms?
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Some of your wordings in the first post, and the fact that it was your first post, support the interpretation that "you fellow vegetarians" wasn't honest.

"and I stand

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made of weak and useless men"

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"We" don't draw the line anywhere... There's no agreed upon answer to your question. You draw your own line.



Also, what does a dog's feelings have to do with vegetarians?
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"We" don't draw the line anywhere... There's no agreed upon answer to your question. You draw your own line.



Also, what does a dog's feelings have to do with vegetarians?





agree--with that --we all have to make our own decisions and draw our own line...



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Every vegetarian and vegan has to decide where to draw their own line.

Just like every religious person has to decide what parts of the religion to take literally. I have never met two christians who agree completely on every aspect of their religion, nor do I expect to meet two veg*ns who agree completely on every aspect.



I don't think any of us would claim to be or know how to be a perfect vegan. That is one of the many things about being a vegan that I love - I am always learning and always trying to evaluate things as to what would bring the least harm.



This is not a perfect world and there are no perfect answers. We each do the best we can.
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These are interesting questions, but I think that a practical line gets drawn for us: you simply can't avoid killing something that you can't see. Sure, in certain cases you know that you might be killing some microscopic organisms, but there really is no point in worrying about that, because you kill microorganisms involuntarily all day, every day. Even your body is killing things at this very moment.



I think my sig is relevant here: there's a difference between doing what you can (not eating meat, etc.) and involuntarily killing something you can't see or avoid. We can only do so much... being veg*n is enough, I think.
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I dunno man, I don't squish bugs anymore, but I also don't bother to avoid products containing carmine. I guess I'm a hypocrite.



Anyway, everyone has to draw their own line. You're the one who has to wake up with yourself every morning.



Well said!
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Is the gasoline burning in our car disrespectful flesh of the microorganisms that compose it?



Yup!!! The gasoline (I call it petrol) will go STRAIGHT to the underworld when it dies and join all the other nasties for ever and ever for eternity.



BAD GASOLINE!!!!!!! NO CHOCOLATE BISCUIT FOR THE GASOLINE!!!!!!
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