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#1 Old 12-05-2005, 09:59 PM
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Based from news story"

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/orego...190.xml&coll=7



and for those interested,(if you are not intested, your silence would be much appreciated in this thread)

I looked up some contact info for the jail-

Multnomah County - Inverness Jail, Jails, Sheriff's Office Dgn, Corrections Facilities, McIj

11540 Northeast Inverness Drive

Portland, OR 97220

503-988-5060

Fax: 503-988-3643



Be polite in any correspondence requesting that he receive nutritionally complete vegan mealplan, I think that would be the best approach in this matter.

Obviously, no tofutti cutie mandate for anyone's meals, but nutritional vegan meals is not some crazy request.
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#2 Old 12-05-2005, 11:57 PM
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When I was in jail, I nearly starved. Good thing I was only there two days, cuz the only thing I ate was some applesauce and some pancakes. Everything else was meaty...

Nec Aspera Terrent
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#3 Old 12-06-2005, 12:40 AM
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I was only there for two hours. No dinner served to me.
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#4 Old 12-06-2005, 12:42 AM
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I wish I could drive out there and take him some food. But I'm sure they wouldn't let me in...
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This is something I worry about a lot.. I was already in jail for a week before my bond was posted, and I'm only vegetarian so I didn't have any problems eating since some people would trade EVERYTHING else off their tray just for the meat on mine, but I didn't like the idea of meat being served to me in the first place. That and I doubt the meals they serve in there are nutritionally balanced for vegetarian diets .. I don't know what effect this might have on my health if I end up going back for any period of time
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#7 Old 12-07-2005, 01:15 PM
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Eco-defense prisoner Steve (Stephen) Marshall is being held in Multnomah

County Jail in Portland while awaiting trial. He is accused of planning

to destroy equipment belonging to a quarry company, which he allegedly

claimed is polluting a river.



Because of his beliefs against cruelty to animals, Steve does not eat any

animal products. Steves diet has been a huge issue the entire time he

has been in custody, and he has continually struggled to get vegan food.

He has repeatedly been denied vegan food, and has often gone hungry rather

contribute to the oppression of animals.



Staff at Multnomah County jail have been telling Steve for a month that

they were working on implementing a vegan diet for him. They even asked

him for names and addresses of Leaders they could contact to verify his

dietary needs. (Steve gave them my name and address, but they never

contacted me.) On November 9th, the jails chaplain told Steve that in

order to get vegan meals, a prisoner at the jail has to have a recognized

religion. Since Steve is not claiming religious reasons for wanting

vegan food, but his own beliefs against animal cruelty, they are denying

Steve the diet he needs.



Steve is not going to give in and eat animal products if the jail refuses

to provide vegan food. His beliefs are too strong! If the jail refuses

to provide him with adequate, nutritious vegan food, Steve is going to try

to live off whatever comes on his meal tray that does meet his dietary

needs. It is likely that he will lose a lot of weight and even become

sick, rather than eat (as he put it in his letter to me) dead flesh.



I have written a letter to the facility commander at Multnomah County

Jail. That letter follows this message. Please print out the letter,

sign it, and mail it . Better yet, write a letter in your own words

saying why it is important that Steve be provided with a vegan diet. If

you are a vegan, say why it is important that human beings not oppress

other animals. Perhaps you could send some literature telling of the

horrors of the meat, diary, and egg industries, or send your favorite

vegan recipe. If you would rather call the jail, the telephone number is

503-988-3689. The email for Bernie Giusto, the man in charge of the

Multnomah County Sheriff'd Department is [email protected].



Please take a few minutes to help Steve in whatever way you can. He is a

really nice guy and seems to truly care about the environment and animals.

He hasnt even been convicted of a crime, but jail officials are demanding

that he go against his values so that he does not starve.



Also consider sending Steve a card or a letter. In the letter I received

today, he wrote, I love mail. Its the best thing in here! His contact

information is as follows:



Stephen Marshall

691374 MCDC

1120 SW 3rd

Portland, OR 97204



Thank you.





SAMPLE LETTER



Monday, November 21, 2005



To: Facility Commander

Multnomah County Detention Center

1120 SW 3rd

Portland, OR 97204



Dear Facility Commander:



I am writing to you regarding a prisoner held at the Multnomah County

Detention Center, Stephen Marshall (#691374). It has come to my attention

that Mr. Marshall is being denied a vegan diet because he does not claim

affiliation with a recognized religion.



Because of his beliefs against cruelty to animals, Mr. Marshall does not

eat any animal products. Throughout his time in custody in the state of

Oregon, he has repeatedly been denied vegan food, and has often gone

hungry rather contribute to the oppression of animals.



Mr. Marshall is not going to give in and eat animal products if your

facility refuses to provide him with vegan food. His beliefs are too

strong! If your facility refuses to provide him with adequate, nutritious

vegan food, Mr. Marshall is going to try to live off whatever comes on his

meal tray that does meet his dietary limitations. It is likely that he

will lose a great deal of weight and even become sick, rather than eat

dead flesh. This must not happen! Mr. Marshalls health and well-being

cannot be jeopardized! It is imperative that he be fed a nutritionally

sound diet that does not include animal products.



It is not right that although Mr. Marshall has not even been convicted of

a crime, jail officials are demanding that he go against his values so

that he does not starve.



I request that you investigate this situation at once and see to it that

Mr. Marshall immediately begins receiving an adequate, nutritious diet

that does not include animal products.



Sincerely,



(your name)
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I called the jail and asked if I could send food to Stephen and they said, "No."

No cookies or anything? "No."
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I am keeping a portion of my opinion to myself, but I want to say what crap! If they can modify meals for "religious" reasons, they should certainly modify meals for veg*ns. I will never, ever understand how consuming animals became so "normal"
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What really sucks about this is that they are already serving vegan meals to other people! So make one more!! It's not like they would have to start over and figure it out from scratch.
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What really sucks about this is that they are already serving vegan meals to other people! So make one more!! It's not like they would have to start over and figure it out from scratch.

Exactly. Also, if they are so concerned about the cost of special meals, why don't they make all of them Vegan? I'm pretty sure a Vegan meal pretty much includes all other special needs listed in the article.



Not that they would ever do that, but, really, it IS the logical solution.
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Oh waah! (To the jail, that is.) Think how much money they could save if they fed all the prisoners beans and rice. Beans and rice are kosher, halaal, lactose free, casein free, gluten free, sugar free, cholesterol free... the only special diet I can imagine that you would have to accommodate are people who can't digest beans, and they're few and far between. Rice is one of the easiest foods to digest.
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Oh waah! (To the jail, that is.) Think how much money they could save if they fed all the prisoners beans and rice. Beans and rice are kosher, halaal, lactose free, casein free, gluten free, sugar free, cholesterol free... the only special diet I can imagine that you would have to accommodate are people who can't digest beans, and they're few and far between. Rice is one of the easiest foods to digest.



That's certainly not nutritionally balanced and it would get kind of boring.. but I do see your point.



In reference to the article: I'm outraged! It would be one thing if they didn't have vegan foods available or something.. but the fact that they're already providing them for other people- ugh! The jail keepers are just being jerks because they know that they're doing this to a guy who was put in jail for something (admitedly horribly stupid) that the average person would view as a 'crazy treehugger (which many use interchangeably with vegan) crime'. What *******s!
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Here's a novel idea, don't get sent to jail.



I like what Arapaho in New Mexico is doing. Balogna sandwiches 3 meals a day. Costs taxpayers 40-some cents per prisoner per day.



Live a decent life and you don't have to worry about it.
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Here's a novel idea, don't get sent to jail.



I like what Arapaho in New Mexico is doing. Balogna sandwiches 3 meals a day. Costs taxpayers 40-some cents per prisoner per day.



Live a decent life and you don't have to worry about it.





more like don't get caught.
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i heard about this

its so stupid

he could just say hes a seventh day adventist because most of them who are vegan do it for religious reasons

but its ridiculous that he woulld even have to lie like that
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i heard about this

its so stupid

he could just say hes a seventh day adventist because most of them who are vegan do it for religious reasons

but its ridiculous that he woulld even have to lie like that



I thought about that. Does that work? You don't HAVE to be vegan to be 7th Day Adventist.
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I'v never been to jail, and I probably never will. I may well spend a night in the cells to cool off from a bit of D&D, (Drunk & disorderly, not dungeons and dragons.) some time in my student days, but I don't think I will get like that!



anyhow, as far as I'm aware, the Uk has a bit more respect for its incarcerated. OK, prisoners shouldn't be given a life of luxury, but when it comes to eating, which is pretty basic, it seems pretty much wrong to deny someone their food.



That said, there have been a few cases like this, and in all honesty, feigning a religion, or "converting" to a religion with different dietary needs may be the best course of action.
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Here's a novel idea, don't get sent to jail.



Live a decent life and you don't have to worry about it.



Do you honestly believe that all people who have been in jail were guilty of the crime charged them? Reality is that sometimes innocent people are accused of any manner of things, and protocol demands they be incarcerated until their trials.

Q: How many poets does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1001...one to change the bulb, 1000 to say it's already been done.
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I thought about that. Does that work? You don't HAVE to be vegan to be 7th Day Adventist.



I believe that it says that they have to be proven to not eat meat because of their religion, as in they have to be proven that they follow that specific religion. I'm pretty sure that I remember reading that in the article (forgive me, it's been about a week since I've read it).



EDIT: "Shults said a panel of chaplains, including Muslim and Buddhist clerics, helps screen religious dietary requests based on documented practice. " - from the article



I knew I'd read it!
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Do you honestly believe that all people who have been in jail were guilty of the crime charged them? Reality is that sometimes innocent people are accused of any manner of things, and protocol demands they be incarcerated until their trials.



Do you honestly believe that everyone who is sent to jail is innocent? Or is just people who commit crimes you agree with are innocent?



As for the innocent being sent to jail. If you're dumb enough to get convicted when you ARE innocent, you probably shouldn't be allowed in public anyways.
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One is generally in jail before being convicted, as in the example.



Eco-defense prisoner Steve (Stephen) Marshall is being held in Multnomah

County Jail in Portland while awaiting trial.



Innocent until proven guilty.
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Do you honestly believe that everyone who is sent to jail is innocent?



Wow you sure seem to have a reading problem. Read again and tell me that is what she was saying. Besides, as many said, he hasn't been convicted of anything yet.



In my opinion, if they are worried about cost, they should just serve vegan meals to everyone. It satisfies all religious beliefs. Plus the people who hate vegan food might be less likely to commit a crime again...
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Plus the people who hate vegan food might be less likely to commit a crime again...



RRIIGGHHTT...................
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Do you honestly believe that everyone who is sent to jail is innocent? Or is just people who commit crimes you agree with are innocent?



As for the innocent being sent to jail. If you're dumb enough to get convicted when you ARE innocent, you probably shouldn't be allowed in public anyways.





You should say the same to Ghandi and MLK jr. Both went to jail. They weren't innocent. There were quite guilty of challanging authority and having illegal marches/etc.



...so, because of that they loose their rights to food?



Of course the there are people who are innocent who stand trial? Or should everyone that stands trial be already considered guilty?



Perhaps you've heard of "innocent till proven guilty". That is how (theoretically) the justice system is supposed to operate.



That is certainly not how you operate. Based on your replies, you would seem to have similar politics to Sadam Hussein. Yippee to you.
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If you're dumb enough to get convicted when you ARE innocent, you probably shouldn't be allowed in public anyways.



This is the confirmation that you aren't for real.
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What really beats me is that people still reply to Castor's posts. Maybe if everyone just ignored him he would go and bother people with his rubbish on another message board.
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Do you honestly believe that everyone who is sent to jail is innocent? Or is just people who commit crimes you agree with are innocent?



As for the innocent being sent to jail. If you're dumb enough to get convicted when you ARE innocent, you probably shouldn't be allowed in public anyways.

Attitudes like yours are the reason the US government has been allowed to flush our civil rights down the toilet with the Patriot Act. "Just as long as it isn't me," seems to be the mantra of most Americans. Problem is, with no warning, it could be you. It could be any one of us.
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Do you honestly believe that everyone who is sent to jail is innocent?

Does everyone in jail need to be innocent for people to treat others with respect for their beliefs?
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"I find it hard to believe everyone in prison would suddenly want vegan meals," she said. "We're a meat-based society."



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maybe someone should send the prison a subscription for the "the cheap vegan" ?
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