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#31 Old 01-31-2015, 11:32 PM
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So if the restaurant won't give you a vegan meal, don't eat the non-vegan meal just because you think it will help animals. It won't. What it will do is to send a very clear message that you do not regard animal rights as a matter of moral principle.
And that is very harmful to animals.
Aren't you spinning it to suit your argument a little bit. Obviously if you accept a non-vegan meal(say sausages) it hurts animals.
What they are saying is, don't ONLY go to fully vegan restaurants. Support vegan food (that might be CONTAMINATED with non vegan stuff) even in non vegan restaurants. This way vegan options open up for people everywhere and going vegan becomes way easier. If we reach a point where vegan is mainstream then its going to be way easier to get rid of even accidental contamination. We haven't reached that point yet.
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GoVegan please could you post a link to where PETA say they hate pitbulls and feral cats?
Of course PETA won't publish this point themselves. Instead they write misleading blog posts on their website about how they "rescue" terribly mistreated dogs, making it sound as if they actually want the pitbulls to live. Here is a link to an enlightening article that contains this information: "PETA believes that all pit bulls should be killed upon entering shelters, rather than be adopted by the public. Why? Because PETA believes that there is a chance that someone with bad intentions might adopt a pit from a shelter and use him/her for fighting or tie him/her out in the yard to serve as a macho guard dog. Like the hoarder, PETA believes that their actions, in this case promoting the killing of pit bulls, is the highest form of love and protection that they can provide to an animal in the face of a future that they can’t control."

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PETA does a hell of lot of good for animals....Like any organization though, it has things you can despise. Usually what happens is whatever good they do is overshadowed by few negative points and emphasized to serve an agenda.
Advocating for the killing of a pit bulls and actually doing the killing themselves is not one of "a few negative points." It is disgusting, and the fact that they try so hard to spin what they actually do shows that they know full well that what they are doing is disgusting. Here is their own article attempting to white wash their actions. Read it and tell me where they admit to advocating the killing of all rescued pit bulls: http://www.peta.org/blog/peta-position-pit-bulls/

A typical confused comment below the article is this one: "I am so glad to know that Peta is in favor of protecting the pit bulls."
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"PETA believes that all pit bulls should be killed upon entering shelters, rather than be adopted by the public. Why? Because PETA believes that there is a chance that someone with bad intentions might adopt a pit from a shelter and use him/her for fighting or tie him/her out in the yard to serve as a macho guard dog.
Well, I'd like to see where the article actually got this idea from. In your link, there's a comment with a PETA representative editorial. But it doesn't say all pit bulls should be killed. They do say that there's a chance that someone with bad intentions might adopt a pit. But they imply that's why they don't let just anyone adopt and run background checks. Not that PETA kills all pitbulls.

I'd really like to see an actual place where PETA says they kill all pitbulls or all feral cats.
One point I do agree is that, because PETA does not have a no-kill stance, other shelters can probably easily adopt a kill principle rather than pressured towards no-kill.

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Advocating for the killing of a pit bulls and actually doing the killing themselves is not one of "a few negative points." It is disgusting, and the fact that they try so hard to spin what they actually do shows that they know full well that what they are doing is disgusting. Here is their own article attempting to white wash their actions. Read it and tell me where they admit to advocating the killing of all rescued pit bulls: http://www.peta.org/blog/peta-position-pit-bulls/
Again, I would like to see actual evidence. Them attempting to white wash their actions is pure speculation unless you can present evidence to as PETA's stance is to kill all pitbulls regardless of their state.
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I'd really like to see an actual place where PETA says they kill all pitbulls or all feral cats.
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Again, I would like to see actual evidence. Them attempting to white wash their actions is pure speculation unless you can present evidence to as PETA's stance is to kill all pitbulls regardless of their state.
"Those who argue against a breeding ban and the shelter euthanasia policy for Pit Bulls are naïve" - Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openfo...on-2629558.php

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb... It’s widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them." - Daphna Nachminovitch, spokeswoman for PETA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08...face-deadline/

"It would be irresponsible for shelters to release these dogs into a world that holds only suffering and painful deaths for so many of them." - Daphna Nachminovitch
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d.../A_OPINION0611

"They are very determined dogs and when they lock onto their victim it’s hard to let go. Their jaws have to be pried apart. They also shake their victims which can cause a great deal of damage to babies." - Daphna Nachminovitch
http://articles.dailypress.com/2009-...errier-two-pit

"As someone whose work involves rescuing Pit Bulls from abuse, I urge Livingston County Animal Control to continue protecting Pit Bulls by retaining the agency’s current policy against adopting them out." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin, PETA's animal care and control specialist
http://www.detroitnews.com/errors/404/#ixzz0jHYdPwLs

"I thank Spotsylvania Animal Control for protecting Pit Bulls by not releasing them to the public." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin
http://www.fredericksburg.com/1/arti...c04c091f0.html

"almost without exception, those who want Pit Bulls are attracted to the ‘macho’ image of the breed as a living weapon and seek to play up this image by putting the animals in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them outside in all weather extremes in order to ‘toughen’ them." - unnamed PETA representative
http://stubbydog.org/2012/08/a-letter-to-peta/

"Responsible families don’t want a Pit Bull." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pitbull...bout-pit-bulls

I think this makes their position fairly clear.
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"Those who argue against a breeding ban and the shelter euthanasia policy for Pit Bulls are naïve" - Ingrid Newkirk, president of PETA
http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openfo...on-2629558.php

"These dogs are a ticking time bomb... It’s widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them." - Daphna Nachminovitch, spokeswoman for PETA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08...face-deadline/

"It would be irresponsible for shelters to release these dogs into a world that holds only suffering and painful deaths for so many of them." - Daphna Nachminovitch
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d.../A_OPINION0611

"They are very determined dogs and when they lock onto their victim it’s hard to let go. Their jaws have to be pried apart. They also shake their victims which can cause a great deal of damage to babies." - Daphna Nachminovitch
http://articles.dailypress.com/2009-...errier-two-pit

"As someone whose work involves rescuing Pit Bulls from abuse, I urge Livingston County Animal Control to continue protecting Pit Bulls by retaining the agency’s current policy against adopting them out." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin, PETA's animal care and control specialist
http://www.detroitnews.com/errors/404/#ixzz0jHYdPwLs

"I thank Spotsylvania Animal Control for protecting Pit Bulls by not releasing them to the public." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin
http://www.fredericksburg.com/1/arti...c04c091f0.html

"almost without exception, those who want Pit Bulls are attracted to the ‘macho’ image of the breed as a living weapon and seek to play up this image by putting the animals in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them outside in all weather extremes in order to ‘toughen’ them." - unnamed PETA representative
http://stubbydog.org/2012/08/a-letter-to-peta/

"Responsible families don’t want a Pit Bull." - Teresa Lynn Chagrin
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/pitbull...bout-pit-bulls

I think this makes their position fairly clear.
Thank you. It does actually make it look like PETA believes fighting/abused Pitbulls cannot be rehabilitated, thus mainly should face euthanasia. A kill all pit-bulls policy is pretty bad.

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Thank you. It does actually make it look like PETA believes fighting Pitbulls cannot be rehabilitated, thus mainly should face euthanasia. A kill all pit-bulls policy is pretty bad.
They say fighting pit bulls, but their policy applies to all pit bulls. Again, they obviously know how horrible their policy is and that's why they try to spin it the way that they do.
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"Nearly 95 percent of the animals taken in by the (PETA) shelter are killed and less than 1 percent are adopted... PETA employees kill 84 percent of the animals in their custody within 24 hours of receiving them—even though most are healthy and not showing any behavioral problems." Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...als-goes-wrong
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"Nearly 95 percent of the animals taken in by the (PETA) shelter are killed and less than 1 percent are adopted... PETA employees kill 84 percent of the animals in their custody within 24 hours of receiving them—even though most are healthy and not showing any behavioral problems." Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...als-goes-wrong
This is taken from their site.
"The majority of adoptable dogs are never brought through our doors (we refer them to local adoption groups and walk-in animal shelters). Most of the animals we house, rescue, find homes for, or put out of their misery come from miserable conditions"

I would not see why they would kill everything that comes through their doors. What's their motivation? I don't for a second believe they think animals who live in any home are unhappy and want to kill off all pets.

In any case, even though PETA might be wrong in this issue, this is perpetuated by people who keep buying from breeders and don't neuter their pets. They never catch slack.
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"I'm the shelter director at the Norfolk Animal Care Center. We are an open-admission municipal shelter, housing approximately 6,000 animals each year. PETA's headquarters is about 3 miles from my shelter.

"I can confirm, without reservation, that PETA assists numerous animals from our community and beyond, in immeasurable ways. They often pick up stray animals, or those from hoarding situations found in the city. They bring them directly to my shelter unless the animal is ill or injured. In those instances, they send me the animal's information (in case an owner is searching for their lost pet) and treat the animal on their dime. Most often, a PETA staff member or volunteer ends up adopting that animal.

"In the case of owner relinquished animals, healthy and adoptable animals are transferred from PETA to the Virginia Beach SPCA. The Virginia Beach SPCA has an established adoption rate of around 90% and they are a truly open-admission shelter.

"Yes, PETA offers a euthanasia service for area residents who cannot afford traditional veterinary services. They offer these services around the clock, and yet they are vilified by some of the same organizations who refer animals to PETA for euthanasia services. Animals in my community would be far worse off if not for the efforts of PETA. We prefer to focus on the number of euthanasia they have prevented by sterilizing over 100,000 animals in the past few years.

"I hope this helps you to fully understand the role PETA plays in my community."
--Barb Hays, Director of Norfolk Animal Care Center
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The small euthanasia room at PETA’s Norfolk headquarters is very well attended by the public: PETA's detractors keep tally of the number of animals who have been euthanized there, stating that “in the last twelve years, PETA has ‘killed’ over 33,000 companion animals” at their Norfolk facility. Inadvertently, they illustrate just how unlikely it is that PETA euthanizes animals against their guardians’ wishes.

Over the span of twelve years, literally tens of thousands of Hampton Roads’ residents have contacted PETA to access their no-cost euthanasia services--thousands of whom have personally entered PETA’s Norfolk euthanasia room to attend the procedure--yet there have been virtually no complaints made against the animal rights group. And of the small number of complaints that do exist, none have been determined by the state to be credible.

To put it another way, if every 1,000 euthanasia procedures performed at PETA’s headquarters generated a single complaint against the animal rights group, there would have been approximately 33 complaints submitted to the Office of the State Veterinarian over the years.

It is noteworthy that here have been only three--or an average of one complaint per 10,000 euthanasia procedures, and that none of the claims have been substantiated by the state. Additionally, there was no indication from Dr. Kovich during our interview that the complaints were directly related to PETA’s euthanasia practices.
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Animals find themselves at the receiving end of PETA's euthanasia services because of one of two circumstances has occurred; PETA's Community Animal Project (CAP) staff has come across a profoundly suffering community animal while performing community outreach duties, or someone within the community has contacted PETA's Norfolk headquarters to request PETA's Emergency Response Team's (ERT) assistance with an profoundly injured, ill, or emotionally-devastated animal.

You won't find PETA's specialized shelter listed in the Norfolk Yellow Pages. There are no Yellow Page listings for PETA under "humane society," "animal shelter," "animal rescue," or even "euthanasia service," because for PETA, it's not a matter of attracting community animals to their facility, it's about being there for community animals when they need it most, and in ways that matter to each individual animal. Only a fraction of the animals PETA's CAP and ERT teams serve ever enter PETA's facility. The majority are served in their communities, in ways that are meaningful to them. PETA's CAP program isn't just about providing no-cost humane euthanasia to animals who require it. CAP program staff and volunteers provide other types of services to animals struggling in impoverished communities. They make food deliveries, transport animals to veterinarian offices for treatment and pay for their medical care, build and install all-weather animal housing, work with owners to get animals off of chains, and operate free and low-cost spay and neuter clinics throughout their service area.
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You make my point for me. I quote the words from the mouths of the people who run PETA, and you quote what their PR people put on the website to make them sound good. Also notice that nothing you quoted goes against their repeated statements that certain breeds of dogs should be killed without any attempt to adopt them out, regardless of their age or health. PETA murders pets.
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You make my point for me. I quote the words from the mouths of the people who run PETA, and you quote what their PR people put on the website to make them sound good. Also notice that nothing you quoted goes against their repeated statements that certain breeds of dogs should be killed without any attempt to adopt them out, regardless of their age or health. PETA murders pets.
They presented their version as to why they kill dogs/cats and the reasoning behind it. How is that evidence of them actually killing any pet that comes through their door? It's like saying a because a suspect is testifying on his behalf, it proves that he's guilty.

Actually the first statement is from a Non PETA person anyways, I do agree that they seem to handle pitbulls bad as if they believe all pitbulls can't be rehabilitated. But they never explicitly say they kill all pitbulls regardless of age and health and they never try to let them be adopted. Their opinion is more on the lines of that's what usually happens.

The reasoning on the statements I published makes sense regarding PETA's kill numbers and percentages. Otherwise, I'm sure they can kill many more pets per year. I mean come on, 2000 pets per year is the best PETA can do if they really wanted to kill each and every cat and dog? And what the heck would be their motivation? They love chickens but hate cats? They believe dogs go to doggie heaven if they kill them?

In the end, their free neutering services, public awareness campaigns save a lot of cats and dogs from a miserable fate.

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But they never explicitly say they kill all pitbulls regardless of age and health and they never try to let them be adopted.
Again, you make my point for me. They won't come out and say that they do it, so others have to document it and publish it using Freedom of Information Act requests to gain access to government documents. Again, this just proves that they know what they are doing is despicable.

And how much more specific do these statements have to be before you accept that this is what they do? "Those who argue against ... the shelter euthanasia policy for Pit Bulls are naïve." "These dogs are a ticking time bomb... It’s widely accepted that euthanasia is the most humane thing for them." "It would be irresponsible for shelters to release these dogs..." Etc.
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Again, you make my point for me. They won't come out and say that they do it, so others have to document it and publish it using Freedom of Information Act requests to gain access to government documents. Again, this just proves that they know what they are doing is despicable.
These documents only have numbers of cats and dogs in general, not breeds specifically as far as I see. So those things they say about pit bulls are just things they came out and said.

Please answer me these two questions.
1) if they really wanted to don't you think they can easily kill a lot more cats and dogs. if they were killing every pet they could get their hands on.

2) What do you think is their motivation for killing every pet that comes through their door? It's obviously not money. Killing pets is bad PR that leads them to getting a lot less money.
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Look up Nathan Winograd and the NoKill nation. Yes PETA kills animals. There is a lawsuit against them for snatching a little dog from the porch of his home and killing him. He was not a stray. I supported PETA fro years. Do your research. They get a lot of press around farmed and fur bearing animals and that is good but they do kill most companion animals in their care.
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I love cats and dogs as much as the next person, but let's look at the bigger picture here. Peta brings awareness to the slaughter industries like no other group has come close to.

"Animals used for food production account for 97% of all animals killed in US slaughterhouses, labs, pounds, and open spaces. Although they are capable of experiencing most feelings that we and our beloved companion animals do, farmed animals are view and treated by the meat, dairy, and egg industries as mere tools of production."
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Cattle: 35,507,500
Pigs: 116,558,900
Chickens: 9,075,261,000
Layer hens: 69,683,000
Broiler chickens: 9,005,578,000
Turkeys: 271,245,000

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PETA killing 33,000 companion animals? This is very alarming...

The lack of support/ deliberate killing of healthy Pit Bulls is totally unacceptable
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I think harsher punishment for those responsible for those animals' homelessness is way overdue. Irresponsible owners should be prosecuted and penalised

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I think harsher punishment for those responsible for those animals' homelessness is way overdue. Irresponsible owners should be prosecuted and penalised
Absolutely!...That way difficult situations would be less likely to arise in the first place (I.e. overcrowding in shelters)...
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Did a little more research. Yes, the original information came from a biased source although I found some information from a site run by Nathan Winograd.

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On his site it said "Since 1998, PETA has killed over 30,000 animals, roughly 2,000 animals a year including kittens and puppies." In a debate between Nathan and a peta attorney, PETA argued that animals were better off dead.

Actual peta members, employees, kill the animals.
This is true. I have attended a lecture by Nathan and read his books. PETA is big business and is not what we think it is. Nathan has worked to make shelters NoKill. It is possible. Educate yourself before you donate.
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PETA definitely kills animals, and openly admits to it. The extent to which PETA supports euthanasia is unethical for an animal rights group. There is no doubt that PETA does do some good things for animals, but they aren't even making an honest effort to find healthy and sustainable homes for these animals in most cases, instead, they find it easier to euthanize. I believe the underlying problem starts at the breeding mills, which often times are only bred for profit.
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PETA definitely kills animals, and openly admits to it. The extent to which PETA supports euthanasia is unethical for an animal rights group. There is no doubt that PETA does do some good things for animals, but they aren't even making an honest effort to find healthy and sustainable homes for these animals in most cases, instead, they find it easier to euthanize. I believe the underlying problem starts at the breeding mills, which often times are only bred for profit.
I agree...Their terrible policy RE euthanizing healthy pit bulls is totally unacceptable...
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Please answer me these two questions.
1) if they really wanted to don't you think they can easily kill a lot more cats and dogs. if they were killing every pet they could get their hands on.
Seriously, I don't even understand this question. Yes, if they wanted to they could kill more animals than they currently do. And if they wanted to they could also just, you know, stop killing animals.

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2) What do you think is their motivation for killing every pet that comes through their door? It's obviously not money. Killing pets is bad PR that leads them to getting a lot less money.
Who said they kill every pet that comes through their door? Killing pets must not be very bad PR, because that's what they are doing and obviously you don't care. If a vegan or vegetarian who claims to care about animals and who posts on an internet veggie forum is willing to give PETA a complete pass then what are the chances that the average Joe or Jane are going to care?


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I love cats and dogs as much as the next person, but let's look at the bigger picture here. Peta brings awareness to the slaughter industries like no other group has come close to.
What kind of bizarre point are you trying to make? Are you actually saying that PETA isn't that bad compared to McDonalds and KFC? Great, so businesses whose job it is to kill animals for human consumption kill millions of animals, but an organization that claims to promote the ethical treatment of animals only kills tens of thousands of animals, so relatively speaking they are doing a great job?
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Peta Kills animals?

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Seriously, I don't even understand this question. Yes, if they wanted to they could kill more animals than they currently do. And if they wanted to they could also just, you know, stop killing animals.





Who said they kill every pet that comes through their door? Killing pets must not be very bad PR, because that's what they are doing and obviously you don't care. If a vegan or vegetarian who claims to care about animals and who posts on an internet veggie forum is willing to give PETA a complete pass then what are the chances that the average Joe or Jane are going to care?







What kind of bizarre point are you trying to make? Are you actually saying that PETA isn't that bad compared to McDonalds and KFC? Great, so businesses whose job it is to kill animals for human consumption kill millions of animals, but an organization that claims to promote the ethical treatment of animals only kills tens of thousands of animals, so relatively speaking they are doing a great job?

what I'm saying is this. I believe that they actually have interests of animals at heart. They kill (euthanize) because the ones they do kill cannot be saved and is done so that the suffering is reduced. They have given plausible explanation to their kill rates and numbers. You choose to believe they are lying, I choose to believe they are not.
The way I see it, that's a more believable explanation than PETA are just evil.
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But why do they kill healthy pit bulls then?

I am genuinely disappointed in them about this...They have betrayed the animals by doing this
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#59 Old 02-04-2015, 06:02 PM
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But why do they kill healthy pit bulls then?



I am genuinely disappointed in them about this...They have betrayed the animals by doing this

That I am not sure. Might be that they have been misquoted. Maybe they don't kill all pits and just want the breeding of pits to be stopped.

maybe I am wrong and PETA is run by nut cases. But I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt still. Because from the things they post on their website/Facebook (and what they have done) I feel they care a lot about animal rights.
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They do seem to care about certain aspects of certain animal's rights...

Kona has provided sound evidence of their unacceptable treatment of pit bulls though
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