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#121 Old 03-19-2017, 11:13 AM
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One of the problems with VB is that it really has become a forum for newbies. There just aren't enough of us old timers posting regularly anymore, so the discussions tend to be toward newbie concerns. That's not bad, of course, as we were all new at this at one time, but when you open VB and all you see are newbie's asking about how they can possibly manage it all, it gets old - especially when you've been answering these same kinds of questions over and over for years.

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One of the problems with VB is that it really has become a forum for newbies. There just aren't enough of us old timers posting regularly anymore, so the discussions tend to be toward newbie concerns. That's not bad, of course, as we were all new at this at one time, but when you open VB and all you see are newbie's asking about how they can possibly manage it all, it gets old - especially when you've been answering these same kinds of questions over and over for years.

We don't have to answer every post, Poppy. If I don't feel like answering a particular question, I don't worry about it, because I know that someone else will answer it - there's a team here.

I don't mind answering the questions of newcomers (as you've said, we all were newbies once) - to save time, I keep a 45-page Word document of answers and links that I've posted before, so I just cut and paste those.
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One of the problems with VB is that it really has become a forum for newbies. There just aren't enough of us old timers posting regularly anymore, so the discussions tend to be toward newbie concerns. That's not bad, of course, as we were all new at this at one time, but when you open VB and all you see are newbie's asking about how they can possibly manage it all, it gets old - especially when you've been answering these same kinds of questions over and over for years.
I'm fine with answering new members questions, it's more the lack of interaction that bothers me. Too many people creating accounts that never come back, or just argue, or promote themselves.

This was a community where veg*ns could didn't need worry about been called out on their opinions, so we shouldn't deal with that here.

There are a lot of subjects I'd like contained. B12-no need for multiple threads. Went veg and now sick--again, it's not for lack of meat, that can be dealt with links to nutrition.
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One of the problems with VB is that it really has become a forum for newbies. There just aren't enough of us old timers posting regularly anymore, so the discussions tend to be toward newbie concerns. That's not bad, of course, as we were all new at this at one time, but when you open VB and all you see are newbie's asking about how they can possibly manage it all, it gets old - especially when you've been answering these same kinds of questions over and over for years.
Personally my whole goal at VB is to share information and help as many newbies transition as possible so that's just fine with me! This is where I transitioned from vegetarian to vegan and I'm so thrilled to see so many other people making the change and asking these questions.

Yes it does get a little repetitive to answer "where do you get your protein" questions over and over but it's so important for the animals! I take breaks every now and then to give myself time to refresh but I'm always happy to see people coming here to learn.

That being said there's no reason why we can't have more social "just for fun" discussions, I try to pop into the Veggie Patch now and again. If those are the kinds of threads you'd prefer to see then start one, I'd join in.
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I was a poster here a few years ago and used a few usernames over the years and yea, it now seems very quiet. I also checked out the board that split from here a few years ago and it's even quieter as far as I could tell as an unregistered visitor. It seemed the biggest problem here back in the day was a mixed vegan and vegetarian user base. In other words, a lack of focus on a singular goal. Oh, and the ads. Pretty awful.
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As for me, after my father died I was diagnosed with depression and very rare form of autism, so it means not many people are able to stand me and my POV, and since it won't get any better I've decided to leave.
The more so thanks to all those who were able to respond to my posts (especially @Purp ) and sorry to all who felt disturbed by my personality. If against all odds anyone misses me, it's possible to contact me through a PM (I still need help with my game ). Greetings for all.
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As a still fairly new participant, I have to say I didn't necessarily feel many warm fuzzies in being welcomed, with a few very kind and inviting exceptions to whom I'm very grateful. Many of the feelings I felt during unpleasant interactions were a result of my direct experiences in life more so than the method and delivery of information by others, so I want to be clear in that regard before I proceed.

It appears my personal experience of switching overnight, after an ER visit, to eating mostly whole foods/plant based/mucus-free and mucus-lean foods, starting with mostly smoothies/juices/and raw foods as a result of a medical scare isn't one that seems to be an acceptable "norm", so I feel I have to tread very lightly and carefully in what I share. I try to remain mindful in sharing as many details as possible letting folks know my circumstances were a bit different and I may very well be, and have often been, a better example of what not to do.

After experiencing most of my existence as a survivor of being injured via some severe and repeated non-military PTSD events, I have to very carefully navigate ALL spaces. When I find one that feels sacred to me, meaning a safe space to openly share my experiences, I get super excited and wish to openly share, as I initially felt here, so I signed up and began sharing.

The lifestyle changes I made towards vegan living have afforded me better health than I ever recall and I want others to know of it and have the same chances of relief that I've found. Becoming vegan after decades of being misled, misfed, trying many systems/methods, many professional avenues of inquiry, and then experiencing the miraculous results that I have based on my own research and direct experience, only to be chided by other fellow vegans for not being vegan in the way they deem to be a more scientifically or academically approved and "correct" way was pretty disappointing, to say the least.

I was directly contacted via a private message by another member and told I was promptly reported for sharing my experience, as it wasn't backed by peer-reviewed science. I never heard anymore from anyone regarding my postings, so I assume they were deemed appropriate enough by those in charge of moderating, but it sucks to be made to feel one has to censor their own direct experience that has brought so much relief (that has also been highly supported by their family doctor and several other professionals) based on the perceived disdain of others.

Reality hasn't afforded me the options of living only by peer-reviewed standards, as those same standards were often the ones that damaged me more than helped me, or were out of reach and totally unattainable, so I had to seek elsewhere. What I reflect likely will never be deemed acceptable or comfortable by many, so to avoid further potential ruffling of feathers, I only pop in randomly and limit my posting.

And yeah, seeing ads full of animal flesh, bodily secretions, and other stuff I'd never again choose to ingest can be incredibly bothersome, not to mention potentially triggering cravings to have to fight off the rest of the day. That's why I don't watch tv anymore. lol

With all that said, I still remain incredibly grateful for this space to explore and learn in, even when it isn't comfortable, the helpful info shared, the free exposure therapy that helps me work through my own stuff, and the endless tasty recipe ideas and helpful hints, for sure. Gratitude.
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As for me, after my father died I was diagnosed with depression and very rare form of autism, so it means not many people are able to stand me and my POV, and since it won't get any better I've decided to leave.
The more so thanks to all those who were able to respond to my posts (especially @Purp ) and sorry to all who felt disturbed by my personality. If against all odds anyone misses me, it's possible to contact me through a PM (I still need help with my game ). Greetings for all.
I hope that you don't think you are the person I was referring to in my post on this thread. Not at all! I'm not popular with people either (in real life or online) so I understand. I have mental health issues as well, including a personality disorder. Sometimes I fear how apparent it might be to others online but not to me. But I post anyway. I hope you come back and visit!
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I was directly contacted via a private message by another member and told I was promptly reported for sharing my experience, as it wasn't backed by peer-reviewed science. I never heard anymore from anyone regarding my postings, so I assume they were deemed appropriate enough by those in charge of moderating, but it sucks to be made to feel one has to censor their own direct experience that has brought so much relief (that has also been highly supported by their family doctor and several other professionals) based on the perceived disdain of others.
That's awful, I'm sorry that happened to you.

Unfortunately whenever you get any big enough group of people together there are always going to be a few jerks in the mix, you can always report incidents like this to me or any other moderator! We do the best we can to keep this community a friendly and supportive place.
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That's awful, I'm sorry that happened to you.

Unfortunately whenever you get any big enough group of people together there are always going to be a few jerks in the mix, you can always report incidents like this to me or any other moderator! We do the best we can to keep this community a friendly and supportive place.
There were no personal attacks here. A link to a site that demonizes healthy foods, such as avocados and beans, is NOT appropriate for this site. I let it go as the discussion seemed to balance things out.

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There were no personal attacks here. A link to a site that demonizes healthy foods, such as avocados and beans, is NOT appropriate for this site. I let it go as the discussion seemed to balance things out.

It certainly wasn't an attack, so to speak, but it also wasn't a gesture that made me feel welcomed, by any means, which is all I'm trying to get across by sharing it. I think using the term "demonize" is a bit overly dramatic and quite negative in the overall tone, and serves well to demonstrate how these things are often looked at from what feels like damn near a religious/cult-like viewpoint.

The mucus-lean and mucus-free literature lets you know in great detail that some legumes and avocados are mucus forming, along with many other foods. It recommends limiting them vs. making them a huge part of your diet.

It also discusses how well they work as a transitional food to get from a heavy SAD lifestyle to a vegan lifestyle, which is exactly what I was trying to do. It worked for me, much better than my previously tried method(s) of diving right in head first. They also offer information on how to rationally transition and fast vs. diving right in, which was crucial for my well-being.

I am now healthier than I've ever been with full professional/medical support ensuring me that I'm keeping things in balance. It's worked for many others, too. Just as your way has obviously worked for you. Why is one way considered less valuable (even demonic) than the other in a space supposedly designated to sharing our vegan lifestyles? It can certainly make one feel unwelcome and as if they aren't supposed to share in great detail unless it's already been verified that we all agree to do it the same way.

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It seemed the biggest problem here back in the day was a mixed vegan and vegetarian user base. In other words, a lack of focus on a singular goal.
In the (nearly) 5 years that I've been on VB, I've always been happy to be part of a mixed vegan and vegetarian user base. The only singular goal I've wanted was for members to come together, whatever differences we might have, and engage in mature discussions in a non-confrontational atmosphere.

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The mucus-lean and mucus-free literature lets you know in great detail that some legumes and avocados are mucus forming, along with many other foods. It recommends limiting them vs. making them a huge part of your diet.
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I hear you, and I think that everyone can and should be inspired by your health victory.

But do you really believe what this mucus-free website is saying about legumes, rice, and nuts?:

"Lentils, dried beans and dried peas are too rich in protein, the same as meat and eggs. The peanut is a legume also."

[Regarding rice]: "I firmly believe thru my experience with serious cases of sickness (awful boils, etc.) prevalent among one-sided rice eaters, that rice is the foundational cause of leprosy, that terrible pestilence." [italics mine]

[Regarding nuts]: "All nuts are too rich in protein and fat and should be eaten only in winter, and then only sparingly. Nuts should be chewed together with some dried sweet fruits or honey, never with juicy fruits, because water and fat do not mix." [italics mine]


Link: https://www.mucusfreelife.com/list-m...et-prof-spira/

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I'm not popular with people either (in real life or online) so I understand. I have mental health issues as well, including a personality disorder. Sometimes I fear how apparent it might be to others online but not to me. But I post anyway.
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It's no exaggeration to say that of all the people I've had dealings with on the Internet over the years, you're probably the nicest, most rational and most helpful. Although you obviously lack confidence, can I just say thank you for being you!

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We try to be as inclusive as possible, allowing new member to feel free to ask questions, and hear the experiences of our varied members.
There is a need to somewhat censor material that is outside the realm of established research. That doesn't mean we think it's over all wrong, and it's great for what works for some, but it walks a fine line when presented as truths.
Plant based diets have come a long way since being thought of as extreme and controversal. That's a very important statement, to be seen as preventing disease and maintaining good physical and mental health. Blanket statements on things that cause concern for known good veg diets can really uncertainty in people new, or unsure.
I'm aware some people have very strong feeling about what works for them, whether distrusting soy, wheat, gmos, or non organic produce, and that's okay. I just try and temper that with what's already been researched and works for most

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I hear you, and I think that everyone can and should be inspired by your health victory.

But do you really believe what this mucus-free website is saying about legumes, rice, and nuts?:

"Lentils, dried beans and dried peas are too rich in protein, the same as meat and eggs. The peanut is a legume also."

[Regarding rice]: "I firmly believe thru my experience with serious cases of sickness (awful boils, etc.) prevalent among one-sided rice eaters, that rice is the foundational cause of leprosy, that terrible pestilence." [italics mine]

[Regarding nuts]: "All nuts are too rich in protein and fat and should be eaten only in winter, and then only sparingly. Nuts should be chewed together with some dried sweet fruits or honey, never with juicy fruits, because water and fat do not mix." [italics mine]


Link: https://www.mucusfreelife.com/list-m...et-prof-spira/

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I try not to believe anything solely based on what I read. I rely more on my direct experiences and how my own biology responds to particular foods, beverages, and other products through trial and error.

I no longer choose to eat rice. When I tried to introduce some back into my diet in small amounts, first the basmati variety, and later a wild rice variety of some sort that was offered in a vegan soup, it upset my stomach big time. That's enough proof for me.

When I eat nuts, I eat raw cashews or walnuts, preferably after they've been soaked, and when I remember to get some, brazil nuts on occasion. Otherwise, I'll get stomach cramps and bad gas.

When I was first changing my lifestyle and started making smoothies, I would add about 9-12 raw cashews, a tsp. hemp hearts, a brazil nut, a tsp. flax seed, and a tsp. chia seeds all at the same time, thinking I could just pack it all in at once and get it out of the way for the day. My belly stayed bloated, I stayed gassy, made frequent tracks to the loo, and was quite miserable until I realized I was packing way too much fat into the smoothies at once and learned to back off and increase the greens with the fruit instead.

I also tried making pizza dough and some various dips out of cashews and would feel rotten after eating them. It was an overload of something, that's for sure. I have to be careful when making the cashew cheeses and such. I'm currently working on finding ways to use chickpeas more often than the nuts in breads, cheeses, and desserts.

I eat my nuts and fruits separately now, unless they are baked into something together or in a salad of some sort.

I eat a few nut butters on occasion (one of my weaknesses, actually, especially with some added dairy free chocolate chips....mmmmmm), hemp hearts sprinkled on salads or just as a snack alone, chia seeds as puddings, and flax seeds, especially when baking. No issues from using them more sparingly and wisely than before.

When I eat beans, I go for chickpeas, lentils (sometimes sprouted), black beans, mung beans (mostly sprouted), or split green peas. Occasionally we'll do black-eyed peas. I avoid all the others unless I'm eating elsewhere and there's no choice. I soak them well before cooking and haven't had any issues with them yet. I don't eat them daily, though.

I also used to have a pretty intense and painful skin issue to deal with regarding boil-like places from my late twenties up until 2015 when I totally changed my consumption habits, and haven't had them return since, so I do believe there is a whole heck of a lot of truth in much of what he says. But until I actively practiced being more mindful of the mucus forming foods I ingested myself, I also thought he was quite likely full of it and a bit out there in his assumptions.

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I hear you, and I think that everyone can and should be inspired by your health victory.

But do you really believe what this mucus-free website is saying about legumes, rice, and nuts?:

"Lentils, dried beans and dried peas are too rich in protein, the same as meat and eggs. The peanut is a legume also."

[Regarding rice]: "I firmly believe thru my experience with serious cases of sickness (awful boils, etc.) prevalent among one-sided rice eaters, that rice is the foundational cause of leprosy, that terrible pestilence." [italics mine]

[Regarding nuts]: "All nuts are too rich in protein and fat and should be eaten only in winter, and then only sparingly. Nuts should be chewed together with some dried sweet fruits or honey, never with juicy fruits, because water and fat do not mix." [italics mine]


Link: https://www.mucusfreelife.com/list-m...et-prof-spira/

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Not with reference to this website in particular, but more broadly speaking I do think that it's important for newcomers in particular not to be overwhelmed with unscientific 'health advice' which encourages even greater restrictions than they are already committing to in eliminating animal products from their diet.

There are a whole slew of diets out there which will warn you that all kinds of things are unhealthy or harmful, including for example gluten, sugar, cooked foods, vegetable oils, grains, soya, non-whole foods, 'wrongly combined' foods, 'acid forming' foods, plants from the belladonna family (tomatoes, peppers, potatoes etc.) and so-on. 'Mucus forming foods' (barring dairy) is a new one to me, but not surprising I guess.

I think this is probably why moderators are right to be careful about what so-called health advice is shared on this site, or at least shared without a clear indication that it's just someone's personal opinion and there's nothing substantial to back it up. We don't want members living on air alone - though there is even a 'diet' for that called Breatharian! NOTE: unsurprisingly people have died.
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Thank you for your comments which I fully agree with Spudulika. This is part of what VB rules say about members staying healthy:

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Anecdotal evidence on the efficacy of an unorthodox diet, however much the undoubted good faith of the member supplying it, remains just anecdotal. The moderators who are tasked with safeguarding the well-being of all members are right to view the presentation of such evidence with a very careful eye.

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I hope that you don't think you are the person I was referring to in my post on this thread. Not at all! I'm not popular with people either (in real life or online) so I understand. I have mental health issues as well, including a personality disorder. Sometimes I fear how apparent it might be to others online but not to me. But I post anyway. I hope you come back and visit!
Thanks for your reply. No, I wasn't talking about you, I have troubles with explaining things cleary enough, sorry. My decision is based on my experience with people in general, and knowledge about my condition rather than anything else. In short, as strange as it may seem, I need direct negative feedback, otherwise I start to feel that people are not too honest with me (I know I have a lot of negative features) and it makes me feel very uncomfortable in both cases, since giving negative feedback may be off-putting for other members, so I thought it will be the best if I leave. But it's still possible to PM me I hope I was clear enough this time. Cheers
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@Scarecrow , you're wrong to leave. You're really fouling up. You should stick around.

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The moderators who are tasked with safeguarding the well-being of all members ...
This is not an attack on any one but wow, this incredibly condescending statement says a lot about why these boards aren't nearly as busy as they once were. No one needs a babysitting service.
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This is not an attack on any one but wow, this incredibly condescending statement says a lot about why these boards aren't nearly as busy as they once were. No one needs a babysitting service.
wanna mingle with people promoting meat? talking about hunting?
wanna buy a cell phone? how about looking at peoples links to products they're selling?

As for diets, this forum tries to be many things to people following veg*n diets. There aren't that many restrictions on discussions of different ways to keep nutritionally sound, but we do try and keep the more controversal things in the Compost forum.
If you have a particular aversion about whats known to be true I just want it to be known as your opinion, not advocated as fact

It really isn't baby sitting, nor restrictive, just kept to a forum for veg*ns
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@Scarecrow , you're wrong to leave. You're really fouling up. You should stick around.
@Scarecrow , I'm also hoping that you stay around. I don't remember ever being upset by anything you said. Stay with us here. At the very least, do not isolate yourself socially - that is very bad for depression.
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This is not an attack on any one but wow, this incredibly condescending statement says a lot about why these boards aren't nearly as busy as they once were. No one needs a babysitting service.
So you don't see "incredibly condescending" as an attack? Wow. I bet you also believe that the forum is, and always has been, totally self-regulating?

Perhaps if you'd been on VB over the last few years tongue_on_fire and experienced both the trolls and the vulnerable members that the mods have had to deal with, your opinion would carry some weight with me and I would feel able to give it at least a grain of respect.

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#145 Old 03-27-2017, 12:14 PM
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This is not an attack on any one but wow, this incredibly condescending statement says a lot about why these boards aren't nearly as busy as they once were. No one needs a babysitting service.

Hi tongue_on_fire,

It should noted that Veggieboards is an all-ages forum. Some of our members are young teenagers, and it is therefore 100% appropriate to monitor the factual content of this forum.

In the past, grossly inaccurate information has been aggressively posted by certain individuals on VeggieBoards (those people have since quit, or been ejected from, the forum). When we attempted to correct this misinformation, those individuals stubbornly continued to repeatedly post it. What could we do? In those situations, it becomes necessary to warn, censor, and finally eject those individuals. Otherwise, the forum becomes a useless swamp of misinformation mixed with the facts.


If you are curious, here are examples of misinformation that we've had to correct on this forum:

1. One person claimed that diabetics should not eat lentils. Not true! The American Diabetes Association specifically recommends that people eat lentils and other beans: http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fit...uperfoods.html

2. One person claimed that potatoes are high in calories. Not true! Potatoes have even fewer calories than water-packed tuna. 100 grams of potatoes contains 77 calories: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q...toes&*&spf=394 . 100 grams of water-packed tuna contains 116 calories: https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-n...amount=100.000

3. One person claimed that soy foods increase the risk of breast cancer. Not true! The American Cancer Society has stated (based on large peer-reviewed studies) that soy foods either (1) have no effect on breast cancer risk or (2) lower the risk of breast cancer: http://blogs.cancer.org/expertvoices...t-cancer-risk/


Do you see what I mean? Potatoes, beans, and soy foods are healthy foods! We don't want new vegetarians to avoid these healthy foods, based on mistaken claims (regardless of whether those claims are made innocently or purposely).
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Scarecrow, you're wrong to leave. You're really fouling up. You should stick around.
Thank you (although I have troubles with understanding words like "fouling up", is it something negative? ).

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I'm also hoping that you stay around. I don't remember ever being upset by anything you said. Stay with us here. At the very least, do not isolate yourself socially - that is very bad for depression.
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Thank you. The trouble is [some mathematical explanations, that probably nobody would be interested in]. What can I do? I'm absolutely terrible in social interactions, but there's always chance I'll come back, I don't stop being vegetarian, I just need to straight things up in the "real" life first.

As for discussions, I think the best option/compromise would be to create some special private subforum, available only for users above certain age, where rules could be less restrictive. Cheers

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Thank you (although I have troubles with understanding words like "fouling up", is it something negative? ).
Yeah, "fouling up" is negative. It's like making a goof. I hope you stay, or return soon. I feel I was just getting to know you.

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.... The moderators who are tasked with safeguarding the well-being of all members are right to view the presentation of such evidence with a very careful eye.

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This is not an attack on any one but wow, this incredibly condescending statement says a lot about why these boards aren't nearly as busy as they once were. No one needs a babysitting service.
There are plenty of "mixed" message boards out there, and in fact, VB used to have a number of members (myself included) who were on one of them, as well as here. If that setup is more to your liking, there's nothing wrong with that. There still are probably websites like that out there.

I just wasn't buying statements about how much someone "respected" the animals they killed and ate, etc. I can deal with people having radically different views of animals than I do in real life, and with my being part of a minority (ethically-motivated vegetarians). Sometimes I just want to hang out with people who share my general outlook on animals and learn from them.
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Being a newbie, I haven't had the 'pleasure' of seeing trolls. I didn't think they were on here.

I can see how a member promoting their business/blog/brand would be annoying. In that case, I agree you'd have to participate in so many discussions to be able to do that.
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Because I have be not been here for long I do not feel that I should critisise anyone who I think is spouting nonsense so I am really glad there are moderators to take care of that problem.

If someone sounds dodgy -like their next post is going to be a self promo or something really silly then I have decided the thing to do is go and add a word to the word game - or look at the funny animal pics (not the sad ones again).

Scarecrow: I think you should stay too. You remind me of a very close acquaintance of mine. Nothing wrong with that type of personality problem or depression . I myself suffer from extreme depression and lots of other things. Doesn't mean you are of no value, though it does make life harder. Forums are great for people who have troubles with face to face.

Long term members: You have to have newbies if you are going to build your numbers up.

One question - What adds ? I don't see any adds. Maybe it's my ad blocker doing it's job.

Just wanted to say I have lots of health problems (some mentioned above, some elsewhere) but none of them are related to my diet. They are all hereditary genetic problems. Can't be fixed but have nothing to do with veg'nism.
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