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juno 05-19-2008 06:46 PM

I've been doing freelance work for a while now, and soon I'll be meeting up with my client for dinner. This is the first time that we'll be seeing each other in person (after months of e-mail correspondence), and she has mentioned that dinner will be on her. The other members of the team will also be there.



My client hasn't mentioned where we'll be eating (she probably hasn't picked a place yet), and I don't know how to tell her I'm veg (thus hinting that we should eat at a place with veggie options) without coming across as bossy or picky. Or maybe I should just keep quiet about it and grab a quick bite beforehand?




ViolinCyndee 05-19-2008 07:02 PM

I would mention that you're veg, and that mostly any ethnic-type food would be great for everyone.. (and I always have a Clif bar in my pocketbook incase)!

Veggily 05-19-2008 07:08 PM

next time you email, maybe you could casually add that you forgot to mention you are vegetarian. it's probably better, from now on, to mention it as soon as any talk of getting together to eat comes up. i know it can feel awkward sometimes when it comes to telling clients things you ordinarily wouldn't mention. but better she find out sooner than get pissed when you don't eat anything and she feels you don't appreciate her choice in restaurants even though you had ample time to tell her. wouldn't it be great if she turns out to be veg too? too much to hope for?

Fyvel 05-19-2008 07:13 PM

You could casually ask her where dinner will be because you're vegetarian and would like to call ahead and see what will be available for you to eat. That way you're offering to do the footwork, but at the same time hinting that it would be nice if she chose a place that would have an option or two for you.

gillibean 05-19-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fyvel View Post

You could casually ask her where dinner will be because you're vegetarian and would like to call ahead and see what will be available for you to eat. That way you're offering to do the footwork, but at the same time hinting that it would be nice if she chose a place that would have an option or two for you.



That's a great idea. It informs her in a way that doesn't make her feel burdened with finding choices.

juno 05-19-2008 10:22 PM

^ I agree. Thanks, fyvel! Thanks, everyone!

juno 05-19-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fyvel View Post

You could casually ask her where dinner will be because you're vegetarian and would like to call ahead and see what will be available for you to eat. That way you're offering to do the footwork, but at the same time hinting that it would be nice if she chose a place that would have an option or two for you.



Good idea.





Thanks, everyone!

Licence 05-20-2008 04:42 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if one day under Dietary Requirements you had to put "Meat eater" instead of "Vegetarian"! Or better still "Murderer" on the basis that "Meat is Murder".



Is that too strong for this board?

TrailMix 05-20-2008 08:58 AM

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Wouldn't it be nice if one day under Dietary Requirements you had to put "Meat eater" instead of "Vegetarian"! Or better still "Murderer" on the basis that "Meat is Murder".



Is that too strong for this board?



Yes, it is too strong. People that eat meat are not "murderers."

MsChris 05-20-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by fyvel View Post

You could casually ask her where dinner will be because you're vegetarian and would like to call ahead and see what will be available for you to eat. That way you're offering to do the footwork, but at the same time hinting that it would be nice if she chose a place that would have an option or two for you.



Great suggestion! I'm going to take this advice myself. I am forever finding myself at a steakhouse with a vendor or dealer and unable to eat anything but a plain baked potato.

gillibean 05-20-2008 11:15 AM

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Yes, it is too strong. People that eat meat are not "murderers."



That depends on your perspective

Byzantea 05-20-2008 12:53 PM

If I pay a man $10 to kill people, I am a murderer by proxy. The same is true for $10,000,000. The same is true if I pay a man to murder animals.

Fromper 05-21-2008 11:41 AM

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Yes, it is too strong. People that eat meat are not "murderers."



Tell that to the cows and chickens.



--Fromper


TrailMix 05-23-2008 08:12 AM

Well, I guess if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but that type of attitude is going to do nothing but outrage, divide, and alienate people and generally negate the peaceful message that the majority of vegetarians are trying to espouse.



If you want people to listen to you, you don't start by calling them names.

Fromper 05-23-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TrailMix View Post

Well, I guess if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but that type of attitude is going to do nothing but outrage, divide, and alienate people and generally negate the peaceful message that the majority of vegetarians are trying to espouse.



If you want people to listen to you, you don't start by calling them names.



I don't go around calling people that. I know how to be diplomatic. But that doesn't mean I disagree with it.



--Fromper


Diana 05-23-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TrailMix View Post

Well, I guess if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but that type of attitude is going to do nothing but outrage, divide, and alienate people and generally negate the peaceful message that the majority of vegetarians are trying to espouse.



Well, we don't want to give the impression either the we're all peacenik kind of hippies either, do we?



The Christian "Love your enemies" doesn't go down with everyone.



But I doubt anyone goes around calling meat-eaters murderers to their faces... especially their clients. We're on veggieboards here - not in a "normal" social environment. (Long live the day when that "normal" environment is at last recognised as sick and barbaric). And as we're on veggieboards, we have a space here where we can let our hair down and talk of our frustrations with the omnivores.



And sometimes a bit of straight talk is better than beating about the bush. Like the time someone told me I was being a ****ing hypocrite for being vegetarian. That was the coolest thing anyone has ever told me. It was that final push - because I realised it as the truth - that encouraged me to go 100% vegan.

sumsums 05-26-2008 07:20 PM

most people i know that agree to go veggie atleast a bit ( my meat loving fit throwing about me not eating meat boyfriend included) decided to try because i didnt try and make them feel bad about eating meat, they decided on their own.

gillibean 05-26-2008 07:27 PM

Murder by proxy is a true statement but I know better than to run around telling people that. I won't lie if asked but it's not something I'd bring up on my own. Omnis need support on giving up more meat, not to be alienated by being called murderers.

Licence 05-28-2008 02:47 PM

I thought there was a rule that to be a member of this board you either have to be vegetarian / vegan or be very close to going that way, so how anyone on this board can be offended by the phrase Meat is Murder is utterly beyond me.

MrFalafel 05-29-2008 03:53 AM

Well, back to the original topic:



I eat out with clients all of the time. What I do is I say 'Hey dinner sounds great but seeing as I'm one of those crazed vegans, why don't you let me pick out a restaurant? I was thinking of <medium priced omni Italian restaurant with vegan options> or <posh omini restaurant where chef will make vegan options not on menu>' This takes away the decision making process altogether and ensures you get a good meal.



I used to leave the selection process to the client but I would invariably end up at some crap restaurant with a plate of steamed veg over rice or something equally boring and awful. Pick the restaurant out yourself.

Fromper 05-29-2008 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Licence View Post

I thought there was a rule that to be a member of this board you either have to be vegetarian / vegan or be very close to going that way, so how anyone on this board can be offended by the phrase Meat is Murder is utterly beyond me.



Not everyone is veg*n for ethical reasons. Some people avoid meat for health reasons only and don't care about the animals. I'm not one of them, but you have to understand that there are a lot of different perspectives, and not everyone on VB agrees on everything.



--Fromper


Licence 05-29-2008 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fromper View Post

Not everyone is veg*n for ethical reasons. Some people avoid meat for health reasons only and don't care about the animals.



I don't care if I offend the people that don't care about animals!!

gillibean 05-29-2008 09:44 AM

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I don't care if I offend the people that don't care about animals!!



So you'd rather alienate them too and make sure they never want to consider how the animals feel?





Juno, have you had dinner with the client yet? How did things work out?

SquarePeg 05-29-2008 10:03 AM

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I don't care if I offend the people that don't care about animals!!



That sounds like it is bound to be a particularly successful approach that will be extremely helpful to any new and aspiring veg*ns.

gillibean 05-29-2008 10:13 AM

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That sounds like it is bound to be a particularly successful approach that will be extremely helpful to any new and aspiring veg*ns.



I agree and adore your avatar! Giraffe's are one of the coolest animals ever!

SquarePeg 05-29-2008 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by gillibean View Post

I agree and adore your avatar! Giraffe's are one of the coolest animals ever!



Thanks! I love giraffes. Choosing that avatar stems from an "insult" that someone threw at me (and my husband turned into a nickname) when I told them I was going to go veg. Someone called me a "long-necked leaf-eating freak." So I immediately thought of a giraffe. LOL

gillibean 05-29-2008 10:20 AM

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Thanks! I love giraffes. Choosing that avatar stems from an "insult" that someone threw at me (and my husband turned into a nickname) when I told them I was going to go veg. Someone called me a "long-necked leaf-eating freak." So I immediately thought of a giraffe. LOL



LOL! I thought of a brontosaurus when I read that! Specifically the one from The Land Before Time

Licence 05-29-2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gillibean View Post

So you'd rather alienate them too and make sure they never want to consider how the animals feel?



The point is that if they stop by a veg*n forum they're going to hear some harsh realities about the treatment of animals. And please don't twist my words - I said offended, not alienated.

gillibean 05-29-2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Licence View Post

The point is that if they stop by a veg*n forum they're going to hear some harsh realities about the treatment of animals. And please don't twist my words - I said offended, not alienated.



By offending them you ARE alienating them.

Veggily 05-29-2008 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFalafel View Post

Well, back to the original topic:



I eat out with clients all of the time. What I do is I say 'Hey dinner sounds great but seeing as I'm one of those crazed vegans, why don't you let me pick out a restaurant? I was thinking of <medium priced omni Italian restaurant with vegan options> or <posh omini restaurant where chef will make vegan options not on menu>' This takes away the decision making process altogether and ensures you get a good meal.



I used to leave the selection process to the client but I would invariably end up at some crap restaurant with a plate of steamed veg over rice or something equally boring and awful. Pick the restaurant out yourself.



I like that idea.


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