"I am not a vegetarian and i personally believe that it goes completely against nature to be one. If you look at nature how many animals out there are eating other animals? A lot of them do. It is just the circle of life one animal eating another. In nature it isn't seen as cruel or unusual when a lion eats a zebra so why is it so wrong when a human eats a chicken or pig? We as humans are also animals just further evolved ones with a higher capacity for intellect then other animals."
Thoughts & comments welcomed.
The whole "it's against nature" argument is flawed anyway. Nobody who I've heard using this argument can actually define what they mean by "natural." Most make some vague reference to other animals or "primitive" societies, which would also rule out a million other things such as personal hygiene, motorized transport, computers, any form of clothing beyond animal hides etc.
Let's stop for a second and think about from a general perspective what a cow would bring to our westernized lifestyles if we were to just let them roam free, "grazing"..... Absoloutly nothing (if you discount their crap).
Without harvesting any of the qualities cow's posses- meat (beef cattle), milk (dairy cattle), and hides we would just be leading ourselves into a false sense of accomplisment. These are afterall just simple creatures, treating or even comparing other living organisms on earth to Homo sapiens really is plain idiocy.
Humans have a highly developed brain capable of abstract reasoning, language, and introspection. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees their upper limbs for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other species. Take note of the following extract below-
Diary of a cow-
What follows is a diary of a cow on a cattle ranch. The diary documents every day the cow lived, but since many of the days contain similair activities, only relevant excerpts are shown here:
June 5, 1989:
I stood around in a field today.
April 12, 1993:
I chewed the grass to deep and accidentally swallowed a rock. I sure am a dumb animal.
April 25, 1998:
It rained this afternoon while we were out in the field. There was a small tin roof covering a portion of the field, but we’re too ****ing stupid to eat under its cover. Instead, we opted to stand in pouring rain and emit loud moos every time we heard thunder beacause loud natural sounds that we’ve heard all our lives still frighten us.
July 9, 2003:
It’s my birthday today. A couple of guys from the field chipped in and got me dirt.
December 22, 2005:
I sure wish i could be eaten.
There you have to folks.....
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Should you not understand the consequences of your actions, or should you be unable to survive without meat - you don't have that choice, so you don't have to make it.
2. If we're gonna follow the example of other animals: How many other animals FARM? They hunt, they don't farm. How much of the meat your friend eats did she hunt [and I don't see many other animals using guns and the likes either] and how much came from a farm somewhere...?
3. What's "natural" anyway? Is our lifestyle natural? We don't live like other animals, but we live the way we've evolved to live. If natural means like other animals - I don't want to be natural. If natural is the way we evolved to live... everything we do is natural. This natural word always confuses me...
Wordnet defines "existing in or produced by nature; not artificial or imitation".
Who knows? But what I do know is that "it's natural" isn't a good reason for me to do something. It's natural for my rabbit to eat it's own feaces... but on that I'll pass.
That's my thoughts anyway
When a human kills something, we don't eat the guts first or ever. Tell your friend to kill a dog and eat it on the spot.
Also like one of the initial responders said, I hope that we have evolved far enough that we can make concious desicions on what are right and wrong foods to eat. We don't need to treat animals like crap just to get ourselves fed.
Man loved birds, he created cages.
Always ask: What values are you pushing? Dominance and enslavement of sub-species or compassion through science and modern agriculture? Ignore the surface level of the meat eaters assertions and dig to the core: What is it you (your friend), the omni, really pushing as the "right way to live"?
Some of my favorite quotes:
-- Proverbs 31:8 (part of the instructions to King Lamuel from his mom about how to be a good man)
-- Mahatma Gandhi
The two I think are most relevant to your friend:
-- Matthew Scully, Dominion
-- Leo Tolstoy
Also look at all the animals out there that don't eat meat?
“May all sentient beings be free of pain and suffering. May all sentient beings experience eternal joy and happiness. gate gate pāragate pārasaṃgate bodhi svāhā.”
We may be the most "evolved" animal, but we have a seriously fatal flaw: greed.
Good luck with your friend, sounds like a handful!