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#1 Old 02-22-2007, 01:07 PM
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I heard someone today saying they were vegetarian and then they said they ate fish. I explained to them that fish are dead so they are a "non meater eater". I got criticised for this and yet The Vegetarian Society have a campaign at the moment trying to get the message across that vegetarians don't eat fish!



Would you say the same thing to someone?



Eating out is hard enough because so many people go to restaurants claiming to be vegetarian and then ordering fish. It gives out the wrong message to restaurant owners and chefs and when real vegetarians eat out they discover the vegetarian option IS fish!



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#2 Old 02-22-2007, 01:15 PM
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I would say they were "a person who doesn't eat land animals." Thats how I reffered to myself when I stopped eating red meat and poultry, but continued to eat fish and seafood.
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Gah! Yes, that bothers me so much too! I mean, it's good that some people try to cut out at least some animals from their diets, but they shouldn't be calling themselves vegetarians. Usually I've found that the people who do that are the same ones who try really hard to appear "alternative." It's an image thing, especially for teenagers.



Unfortunately I'm usually too shy to say anything to people like that, or I feel like I'm butting into a conversation by saying anything. Plus, I don't really like to divulge that I'm a vegetarian when I don't have to, since it always ends with the same stupid questions. I know, I should get over that shyness thing.
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#4 Old 02-22-2007, 01:34 PM
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My friend (who is a meat eater) gets really angry when people call themselves vegetarians but eat fish. He calls them "trendy vegetarians". It's true, he's right!
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I would have said "Oh, so you're a pescetarian!"
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i have encountered this a few times. it depends on the person/situation how i've reacted, but it certainly is irritating. irritating because it gives omnis a false idea of what is acceptable food and why, irritating because it gives ammo to the anti-veg pundits, and irritating because it's self delusional to the proclaimer.



if i believe the pescatarian is open to it, i would try to educate them in a non-judgmental spirit. give them the information, and hopefully they would strike a good decision.
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This annoys me too! Or what is even more annoying - people who say "I'm a vegetarian, I just eat chicken and fish though. Chickens are stupid". (What a co-worker said to me.) Well then you're not a vegetarian at all are you!!!

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I once had a hairdresser tell me that he was vegetarian as well and that he only ate fish, chicken, and pork. HA! I would have set him straight but he had scissors next to my ear.
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you've got to know when to hold em. know when to fold em. know when to walk away. know when to run.



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I would have set him straight but he had scissors next to my ear.

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grrr!! i once worked with a guy who kept telling me "you know, you can be vegetarian and still eat fish right?" odd since he worked at a university doing somthing with aquaculture

you would think he would know that fish arent vegetables....
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A friend of mine (after discovering I was vegetarian) offered to cook me the best fish I'd ever tasted... sweet enough offer, I said I don't eat fish and then got the whole "but vegetarians still eat fish!" oh well, I corrected them, and politely declined the offer, all is well.
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i've informed such people that they are not vegetarian by definition, and when they get angry, i mention that i'm not responsible for the definition of the term. i simply assert what the term is and what it's definition is. and you either fit the definition or you don't.



as an example, i stated 'there is a definition for the term 'medical doctor'--and it is specific. i could call myself a medical doctor all thati wanted, but considering my training and experience do not fit that definition, it would be inappropriate to do so. the same is true of using the term vegetarian while continuing to eat meat.'
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you would think he would know that fish arent vegetables....



Neither are cheese or eggs.



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i recently met a veg*an chick who said she was veg, and part of peta but she eats fish cause she said she doesn't feel sorry for them.
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When I told my mom that I was going to be Vegetarian, she ask if I wanted salmon for dinner.



That angry me!
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I once had a hairdresser tell me that he was vegetarian as well and that he only ate fish, chicken, and pork. HA! I would have set him straight but he had scissors next to my ear.



Ha! My dentist also told me something similar. "I'm a vegetarian too! Oh, but you don't eat fish? Oh I eat fish!" Sorta hard to correct someone who is holding sharp objects in your gums.
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Neither are cheese or eggs.




Vegan foods like fruit or grain are not vegetables as well.
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If someone asks me if I eat fish, I ususally mention the fish plant/tree. I find it annoying that pescatairans give all the other omnis a misconception when they boast about being a vegetarian. I think this misconception comes down to the Roman Catholic Church allowing fish on "Meatless Fridays".
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One of my Besties has a sister who insists that there are two types of vegetarians: The ones who eat chicken and fish and the ones who eat only veggies. Guess which one she is.



It kinda makes you wonder... where did lacto-ovo, and lacto, and vegan, and fruitarian, and all other types dissappear to? Aren't they all types of vegetarians too? I would have said she was a selective omnivore...
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fish isn't meat by definition, thats why people get confused. I long since stopped correcting poeple who call themsevles veggies and eat fish or poultry. I jus say that I don't eat fish cos it's full of heavy metals, is liable to give you brain damage and make you stupid lol
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it is meat by definition--from dictionary.com--meat is "the flesh of animals as used for food." since fish are animals, and their flesh is eaten as food, fish are meat.



interestingly enough, nuts are also 'meat'--or rather "the edible part of anything, as a fruit or nut: Crack the walnuts and remove the meats."
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This seems like a hot topic! Why does it upset you so much?



I told a friend how I was whittling meat out of my diet and that as of this week I wasn't going to continue eating fish. She told me the hasn't been eating meat for years, only fish. We talked about that wierd comment for a while but it didn't really upset me or make me feel like "how dare she say she doesn't eat meat!" which it seems is the case here.



What upsets you about these mistaken people?
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What upsets you about these mistaken people?



Because



A) Fish are being treated as an exception, when they suffer just as much as pigs, cows etc.



B) It demeans vegetarianism.
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Because



A) Fish are being treated as an exception, when they suffer just as much as pigs, cows etc.



B) It demeans vegetarianism.





one could also say:



A) Dairy/Eggs are being treated as an exception, when dairy calves and hens suffer more than pigs, cows etc.
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one could also say:



A) Dairy/Eggs are being treated as an exception, when dairy calves and hens suffer more than pigs, cows etc.



They're not an exception in regards to vegetarianism.
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The proof you used is one of ethics. Ethics used as a proof in regards to diet is naturally extended to the entire diet.



It's easier to just say fish are animals - and vegetarians don't eat animals.
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The proof you used is one of ethics. Ethics used as a proof in regards to diet is naturally extended to the entire diet.



It's easier to just say fish are animals - and vegetarians don't eat animals.



But not everyone's ethics regarding their diet goes beyond meat processing. Vegetarianism is still an ethical decision in some cases, which is why fish must be acknowledged like any other animal processed into food. That's what I was trying to say.



Jeez...some people are so confrontational here.
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Ha! My dentist also told me something similar. "I'm a vegetarian too! Oh, but you don't eat fish? Oh I eat fish!" Sorta hard to correct someone who is holding sharp objects in your gums.



Hahaha. Maybe they do that to us on purpose. Just to watch us squirm. Why is it that dentists always feel the urge to talk to you when you have pieces of metal holding your mouth open?
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But not everyone's ethics regarding their diet goes beyond meat processing.

Then likewise one could say "but not everyone's ethics regarding their diet goes beyond the flesh of mammals and birds".

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upon a mountain

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This seems like a hot topic! Why does it upset you so much?



I told a friend how I was whittling meat out of my diet and that as of this week I wasn't going to continue eating fish. She told me the hasn't been eating meat for years, only fish. We talked about that wierd comment for a while but it didn't really upset me or make me feel like "how dare she say she doesn't eat meat!" which it seems is the case here.



What upsets you about these mistaken people?



You haven't been living vegetarian for very long so you haven't experienced this:



You: "Will there be a vegetarian option for me?"

Them: "Sure, you can have a tuna sandwich."



This is why we get upset.
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