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#1 Old 04-08-2005, 08:18 PM
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on the reccomendation of my doctor I've decided to cut my soy consumption completely for a month and then reintroduce it at no more than 20 grams a day. Both Caroline and I have been experiencing symptions of a hypoactive thyroid, soy is a proven agitator of this, and we've both been feeling like crap. However, i'm discovering that dairy is NOT going to be a good source of protein for me. I tried yogurt...couldn't do it. I tried cheese, did it, but now feel like hurling....VBer's, HELP!!!!!!!!
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#2 Old 04-08-2005, 10:01 PM
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I don't know anything about your problem with soy, but if your looking for a milk sub, then you can get rice milk, if you like it, or you can try one of those nut milks. you might be able to make it in your blender if you find a recipe, or you can buy it at some Health food stores.



As far as completely cutting it goes, you need to read everything, like you allready do as a vegan. In case you didn't notice, soy is in EVERYTHING, even chips. This can be helped by eating more veggies and fruit, and leaning on the raw food diet.



Of course, at fist you'll probally notice a lot of cravings, but just like when you gave up milk, eggs and meat; you can live through them. I know that it's hard to give up something big like soy, but hey, you gave up milk, right? There's lots of rice products out there, and you can always go raw.



Best of luck!!! You can do it!
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The good news is that a person doesn't need soy to get on as a veg*n.



The bad news is that it's in everything, much like gelatin and whey.



But for protein, look to things like beans, whole grains, nuts, deep leafy greens, veggies and even fruit for your needs. If you're a "milk" person, then check out oat milk, almond milk, rice milk and even grain milk. Stay away from processed things because more often than not, they will contain soy in some form or the other.



The best to you both. Hope you feel better soon.
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#4 Old 04-08-2005, 10:31 PM
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Dried beans and a crockpot or pressure cooker and some quinoa?
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You could check out the cookbook 'Vive le Vegan!' by Dreena Burton.

She purposely made most recipes free of soy.
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#6 Old 04-09-2005, 06:55 AM
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I actually own that book! it's packed up ready to move across the country right now though. we went grocery shopping last night and bought almond milk, eggs for Caroline (can't eat them) nut butters, nuts, we have lots of lentils and beans, granola. i think things are going to be okay!! I already love almond milk.
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#7 Old 04-09-2005, 01:45 PM
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Bean, beans, and more beans. Rice milk is good, but doesn't have much protein.
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#8 Old 04-09-2005, 01:48 PM
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Nuts are good for proteins, too.
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And if you're looking for soy-free fake meats, you've always got Quorn They make great fake chicken.
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#10 Old 04-09-2005, 05:48 PM
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Collards have as much protein as milk! I love collards!
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i've never seen quorn anywhere in canada. where can I find it?
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Collards have as much protein as milk! I love collards!

They also have a goodly amount of calcium, too.
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For protein, you could try seitan, brown rice, whole grain breads/pastas/cereals (and of course the grains themselves), lentils, seaweed, greens.



Be sure you're getting enough B12 and vitamin C..both aid in the absorption of proteins.



And yeah...soy is everywhere.

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i just wanna say 'yup' to everything said here. there are a number of soy-free vegans out there. (i would be one of them, if this cholesterol thingy wasn't there!).



anyway.
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Try rice milk...yum yum yum
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yeah, seitan is made from wheat and you can get it dry and mix it with whatever you want. Quinoa had a ton of protein also. Bean burritos with Quinoa is a great combination, side of collards--you're all set!



Don't worry, back in the "old days" of the 80's, 70's and 60's, when veggieism started to be more common, soy wasn't around like it is now, so those people had to eat grains and pulses (and dairy for protein if they ate dairy) to make sure they got enough.



Pick up *Diet for a Small Planet*--written in the early 70's. Lots in there about beans/grains for those "old fashioned" vegetarians. (you can get it on B&N.com used for about a buck.)
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i'm trying to cut way back on the soy also. i'm not cutting it out completely yet, as i have no medical reason to do so and i don't think it will have any adverse effects on me in small amounts.



i like almond milk, especially chocolate almond breeze. i haven't tried rice milk, i don't think it's nutritionally as dense as almond milk, so i'm sticking with that for now. i'm also trying to eat more fruits and veggies, quantity and diversity-wise.



and i also second what everyone else has said.. nuts/seeds, beans, and whole grains, plenty of fruits/veggies, and enough of vitamins b12 and c.
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i've read both diet for a raw planet and hope's edge, and I loved them both. So far I'm doing ok. Though it hasn't been tested all that much, and I got food poisoning (from a veggie burger that I think might not have been) and havne't eaten much but pasta w/ tomatoe sauce and bread w/ butter for two days. thanks for the help everyone.
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Is too much soy bad for you? I eat a lot of it...
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I actually read somewhere that soy is fine for hypothyroid as long as you have adequate iodine in your diet. Ditto cruciferous vegetables, tree nuts, etc.
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#21 Old 04-12-2005, 06:00 PM
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i think that's true too, I think you also need to be sure not to rely on it to heavily. The reason we're cutting it out completely is to see if we can reverse the slight symptons we're showing (caroline's level aren't very off yet, but will be soon if something isn't done)
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Collards have as much protein as milk! I love collards!



oh I feel so stoopid...what are collards?
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#23 Old 04-13-2005, 12:14 PM
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