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#31 Old 01-18-2016, 04:52 PM
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Does anyone ever really listen to themselves eat? Now THAT's so weird!
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#32 Old 01-18-2016, 05:31 PM
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Does anyone ever really listen to themselves eat? Now THAT's so weird!
Yes! I always have to distract myself when eating a banana. The sound of anyone eating a banana is just gross. Not as gross as eating avocado, for that I have to leave the room
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#34 Old 01-18-2016, 08:33 PM
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He did quorn spag bowl (for me and him) but why is it weird seeing a non veggie eat vegetarian food?
Do you mean that it's weird to see a non veggie eat fake meat? I'd take that as a sign that he loves you, because I personally can't stand it. From-scratch veggie food is sooo much more delish!
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Do you mean that it's weird to see a non veggie eat fake meat? I'd take that as a sign that he loves you, because I personally can't stand it. From-scratch veggie food is sooo much more delish!
That's something I can try to do is make my own veggie food. Would be cool
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Do you mean that it's weird to see a non veggie eat fake meat? I'd take that as a sign that he loves you, because I personally can't stand it. From-scratch veggie food is sooo much more delish!
I agree with you personally, but my omni partner actually likes the processed veggie foods a lot. He likes Just Mayo better than Hellmans (though he likes my homemade from scratch nut based mayo too). He likes Beyond Meat chik&n, and Bocca burgers, and Daiya cheese. Because I am not into processed foods too much (but will eat them on occasion to challenge my eating disorder and take a break from cooking here and there), it is a compromise for me to buy the processed stuff and feed it to him. I'd rather he eat that than his animal products. He also likes some of my from scratch homemade food, but I eat very healthy and he is a junk food SAD person and it's hard to get him to eat a lot of fruits and veggies. I am used to appreciating the taste, texture, smells of whole foods in and of themselves without a ton of condiments and sugar and fat added, but he isn't used to it and doesn't care (sighs). The processed veggie foods are a way for him to move away from animal products, and he enjoys them and buys them on his own, not to please me.
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He tried the quern sausages without me there... interesting.
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Many items omnivores purchase are "accidentally vegan" and there are plenty of health conscious omnis, or flexitarians, who might incorporate tofu and mock meats into their diet to cut cholesterol or decrease their meat consumption, even if they aren't willing to give it up completely.

A person who eats this type of diet may eventually become a vegetarian, or maybe they only seek to decrease animal product intake with the occasional veggie burger.

I totally have had omni friends or roommates who ate tofurky with me on holidays. I don't know why you think it's weird.
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Many items omnivores purchase are "accidentally vegan" and there are plenty of health conscious omnis, or flexitarians, who might incorporate tofu and mock meats into their diet to cut cholesterol or decrease their meat consumption, even if they aren't willing to give it up completely.

A person who eats this type of diet may eventually become a vegetarian, or maybe they only seek to decrease animal product intake with the occasional veggie burger.

I totally have had omni friends or roommates who ate tofurky with me on holidays. I don't know why you think it's weird.
I'll get my dad to get some more quern for him self
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he could get some Quorn, as well, while he is at it.

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In my early veg days I avoided food talk, but now I love to talk with people about cooking. I've developed a filter for when they say meat and insert my conversions for it. I may not have made any real vegetarians, but getting people to stop using it where it's not missed, and having meat free meals is a great thing. I think the majority of those I talk with have changed their habits. It's a big win!--Not weird.
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Hmmmmm... what's better? My dad quitting smoking or meat?
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What's he been smoking?
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I found Morningstar's Chik'n tastes exactly like meat. Had me questioning if it was meat or not. My boyfriend, brother, and mother all tried it (hardcore omnivores) and said it tasted like the chicken they eat.
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Good for you Liquinn, keep it up!

Gardein's fish sticks (not sure their exact name) taste just like fish sticks. My omni hubby loves them, he even raves over the texture. Personally, I can't eat them because it is too close to the real thing and it freaks me out. Their chick'n taste similar to McDonald's nuggets, but we haven't found a good steak replacement. Yves ground round was the closest to ground beef for us so far.

Keep trying different brands and you will find replacements that are satisfying to your tastes. Ask a merchandiser for help. My Sobey's stocks Yves by the produce and Gardein on the OTHER end of the store by the pizza pops....and Amy's in a new section in the middle of the store...it took forever to find it all! Also, if possible, visit different stores. They may have different selections.

I am trying to wean off meat substitutes, but it is keeping my hubby interested in a meat-free diet. Also, deep down, it is kind-of fun to experiment with the products, hehe!
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Meh, I don't know if you just don't know how to cook, but the more similarly you prepare certain recipes with the spices, gravies, sauces, condiments, etc...the more it will taste like a buffalo chicken sandwich or a turkey dinner. No, there is nothing I'm aware of though that tastes like beef, though gardein fishless filet are very similar to fish sticks, especially with a side of tartar sauce (cocktail, or malt vinegar if you prefer).

A lot of the "taste" of meat in your favorite dishes are highly dependent on how they are prepared. But no, it's not going to taste like animal fat or gristle, and as far as I know the closest thing that comes to beef is being designed in Norway or the Netherlands right now...however if you miss that flavor you might want to try portobello mushroom steaks with a savory gravy instead of meat crumble, which is better in spaghetti bolognese, or Shepards pie, something with a casserole style.

It doesn't taste like meat because it has no animal fat. If anything I'm impressed that most vegan products taste as similar as they do...if anything in some cases I find them better, less heavy or more refreshing, though eating a lot of oily veg foods gives a similar "feel" to eating fatty animal products. ..I think that's why some veg*ns say they won't eat fake meats...but I love to have something like that for a specific craving, not every day, but you know, a vegan Reuben with Daiya, fake "ham" (sham?) and vegan 1000 Island is just as rich and fatty tasting, even with the sour kraut to offset it. I think that's perfect for a "meat" craving.
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Rofl at "sham"
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I don't know if you guys tried Asian soy meats before, specifically from Taiwan. I was told they are pretty close to meat. I have never had meat before, but my friends that eats it says it does! If you live in LA, there's a bunch of Taiwanese vegetarian restaurants.
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Hmmmmm... what's better? My dad quitting smoking or meat?
Meat.
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Meat.
Reasons?
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because beyond second hand smoke, smoking cigarettes is predominantly just damaging to the individual smoking where as eating meat causes countless animal deaths everyday.
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Reasons?
So that pigs, chickens, cows, fish, lambs ducks and whatever other kinds of animals your father likes to eat don't have to die for his dinner.

And so the environment doesn't suffer from the huge amount of water needed to raise animals and the crops they eat. And the disgusting feces and blood from the slaughter poisons the environment.

Smoking just harms his health and those around him if he smokes around them. Meat eating harms his health AND kills all those animals.
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So that pigs, chickens, cows, fish, lambs ducks and whatever other kinds of animals your father likes to eat don't have to die for his dinner.

And so the environment doesn't suffer from the huge amount of water needed to raise animals and the crops they eat. And the disgusting feces and blood from the slaughter poisons the environment.

Smoking just harms his health and those around him if he smokes around them. Meat eating harms his health AND kills all those animals.
Hmmmmm... true. I guess eating meat is worse than smoking IMO. We're having quorn sausages Sunday.
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because beyond second hand smoke, smoking cigarettes is predominantly just damaging to the individual smoking where as eating meat causes countless animal deaths everyday.
Disagree, unless the individual is literally eating countless animals per day.
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And so the environment doesn't suffer from the huge amount of water needed to raise animals and the crops they eat. And the disgusting feces and blood from the slaughter poisons the environment.

Smoking just harms his health and those around him if he smokes around them. Meat eating harms his health AND kills all those animals.
Comparing eating meat to smoking cigarettes is comparing apples to oranges. Completely different.

How does the environment suffer from the production of tobacco? While I have not researched tobacco or cigarette production, it will likely involve the use of water for crops, wastewater and sludge from processing, as well as the use of the hundreds of chemical additives that are incorporated into cigarettes. These chemical additives came from somewhere, as well. All of this will have an impact.

Until we compare these two topics side-by-side with a life cycle analysis, not sure we can truly claim one is worse for the environment. One may be worse for a particular species over another?
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If your concern is for your dad's health, quitting smoking should be your first choice. That's assuming he's eating a halfway balanced omni diet - if he's eating mainly crap, then changing to a halfway decent veggie diet would be best.

If your question is based on the overall good, then going vegan should be your first choice, regardless of whether he's eating a balanced omni diet now or would be eating a crap vegan diet in the future.

However, there's no reason he couldn't do both, and that would certainly optimize the good not only for your dad, but generally.
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The United Nations' World Health Organization has published an illustrated fact sheet about the environmental impact of tobacco production: http://www.who.int/tobacco/en/atlas16.pdf

This fact sheet is interesting - the World Health Organization is straightforward in its criticism of the tobacco industry.
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True. I wonder what's easier... to quit smoking or meat? With meat he can eat quern. Smoking you have to give it up altogether.
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True. I wonder what's easier... to quit smoking or meat? With meat he can eat quern. Smoking you have to give it up altogether.
Not necessarily. I've had luck with patches and my husband uses a vape pen.
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