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#1 Old 12-29-2015, 01:37 AM
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I wish we had veg and vegan political leaders

Maybe if this where the case we wouldn't have such a vast assortment of problems idk just thinking out loud
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Hitler was a vegetarian. There were still problems. He was actually a very warm, charming man who had strong ethics. It's just that one of his primary ethics was to protect Germany from anything he saw as imperfect or degrading (like Jewish people or homosexuals).

I'm not making a troll argument, I'm being totally serious. A person can have strong ethics and still cause. ..problems.
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Hitler was a vegetarian. There were still problems. He was actually a very warm, charming man who had strong ethics. It's just that one of his primary ethics was to protect Germany from anything he saw as imperfect or degrading (like Jewish people or homosexuals).

I'm not making a troll argument, I'm being totally serious. A person can have strong ethics and still cause. ..problems.
That's a myth that's been disproved in so many ways. why do we keep it up?
http://www.naturalnews.com/025163_Hi...tarianism.html

We have Dennis Kucinich and Betty Sutton. We're all from Ohio which is why I know
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Sadly vegetarian politicians aren't a guarantee of better politics ...
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That's a myth that's been disproved in so many ways. why do we keep it up?
http://www.naturalnews.com/025163_Hi...tarianism.html

We have Dennis Kucinich and Betty Sutton. We're all from Ohio which is why I know
Lol....he became a vegetarian late in life. I'm all for vegetarianism, but I think it's pathetic when people try to argue that people who did bad things in history are never Christian, atheist, vegetarian, or siamese twins (fill in your in groups of choice right here)...for example, some atheists believe they can win arguments about atheism by showing that Hitler happened to be baptized Catholic as a child, never noting that horrid atheist genocidal dictators like Mao or Pol Pot grew up a continent away from most Catholics.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, can be a vegetarian. It doesn't require superior character, particularly in places where it's cultural like India. People can have very strong ethics and still make mistakes or be crazy.

I do think vegans are more distinct, simply because of the cultural advancement it requires at this point in time...though in the future it may become more normative due to environmental circumstances. So perhaps a vegan leader would have very specific ethics. But still, a person can have a mixture of ethics.
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I'm not saying he wasn't veg because I don't to him to be, I'm saying that because of the vast statistics refuting that to his very end.
People love to bring it up and I'm sure there are better examples who actually were veg'n if they looked
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Somewhat off topic ... but I thought Hitler had very bad IBS towards the end of his life? He therefore reduced the variety of foods that he ate and avoided a lot of meat as being too aggravating. He was however not (from what I have read) a vegetarian in the traditional sense (eliminating meat and meat products for ethical reasons).
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I'm not saying he wasn't veg because I don't to him to be, I'm saying that because of the vast statistics refuting that to his very end.
People love to bring it up and I'm sure there are better examples who actually were veg'n if they looked
I'm not saying that you are necessarily, but the tone of the writer of the article had a "so there" tone to it, he threw the atheism thing in there as well.

The research conducted by that author hinged upon the need to disprove Hitler was vegetarian, rather than to report facts, it seems. And no Hitler wasn't a vegetarian until 1936.

This book actually contains monologues and dialogue about his eating habits in the 1940s.

http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Table-.../dp/1929631057
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Somewhat off topic ... but I thought Hitler had very bad IBS towards the end of his life? He therefore reduced the variety of foods that he ate and avoided a lot of meat as being too aggravating. He was however not (from what I have read) a vegetarian in the traditional sense (eliminating meat and meat products for ethical reasons).
Being vegetarian for health reasons is still being a vegetarian. J.H. Kellogg, the creator of Kelloggs Corn Flakes, started out as a 7th Day Adventist, but the church kicked him out for having what they considered heretical views, and as far as I can tell, his insistence on not only his own vegetarianism but also the vegetarianism of others revolved primarily around health, and even his ethical reasons, I'm not sure they had much or anything to do with animal rights.

I honestly don't care why people are vegetarian, I'm more concerned with the end result. Even if it's a by product of what their reasons were. Because you know some celebrities just do it for vanity or something, like Anne Hathaway good lord...she was a really judgey,holier than thou vegan...who suddenly went paleo, not even lacto ovo, but paleo for effing sake.
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I doubt that OP was suggesting that the world would be a better place if more politicians had irritable bowels. The implication of the statement "Hitler was a vegetarian" in this context is that Hitler was a vegetarian for ethical reasons. It's meant to highlight a perceived disparity between his compassion for animals and his hatred of Jewish people. Otherwise, the statement has no more weight than "Hitler was a brunette."
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In Holland we have Diederik Samsom, he is vegetarian and was a member of Greenpreace.
He is head of the PvdA (something like a Labour Party) in Holland.
But he isn't saying that our land could be saved by vegetarianism.


https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Samsom
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Hitler was not a vegetarian, this was a myth used by his propagandists to make him appear more peaceful, one of his biographers has said that his favorite food was Bavarian sausages. It is also said that he tried to adopt a vegetarian diet because it made his flatulence problem better but he wasn't really a vegetarian:

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In the UK we have opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn who is a vegetarian and his Shadow farming minister Kerry McKarthy who is a vegan and who has famously upset the right wing press by asserting that meat eaters should be treated like smokers (ie: as people with recognised bad health habits).
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Sadly vegetarian politicians aren't a guarantee of better politics ...
We've just been let down so much that there's no hope n we as care'ers of the earth would have a better impact in my opinion
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In the UK we have opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn who is a vegetarian and his Shadow farming minister Kerry McKarthy who is a vegan and who has famously upset the right wing press by asserting that meat eaters should be treated like smokers (ie: as people with recognised bad health habits).
That's why uk is in a higher level in ethics because those r positive movements in my opinion
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In the UK we have opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn who is a vegetarian and his Shadow farming minister Kerry McKarthy who is a vegan and who has famously upset the right wing press by asserting that meat eaters should be treated like smokers (ie: as people with recognised bad health habits).
I like Corbyn. He reminds me of Bernie Sanders.
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Cory Booker -U.S. Senate (D-NJ)
Ben Carson -Neurosurgeon and Presidential candidate (R)

are both vegetarians.
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Cory Booker -U.S. Senate (D-NJ)
Ben Carson -Neurosurgeon and Presidential candidate (R)

are both vegetarians.
Cory Booker was the other one I couldn't think of--but NOT Ben Carson! I looked him up when Trump made the kerfluffle over him being 7th day Adventist and found plenty on a google search that he's vegetarian. I wondered how could a leading candidate hide being vegetarian? I'd heard nothing besides his religious affliations, and that only held a modest impact on whether he adhered to dietary restritions. I remembered the rumors about Obama being veg, and they weren't flattering.
Well Ben Carson isn't vegetarian, but appartantly his wife is/was.
He's a clear take on it-
http://www.agri-pulse.com/Ben-Carson...s-08242015.asp
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Cory Booker was the other one I couldn't think of--but NOT Ben Carson! I looked him up when Trump made the kerfluffle over him being 7th day Adventist and found plenty on a google search that he's vegetarian. I wondered how could a leading candidate hide being vegetarian? I'd heard nothing besides his religious affliations, and that only held a modest impact on whether he adhered to dietary restritions. I remembered the rumors about Obama being veg, and they weren't flattering.
Well Ben Carson isn't vegetarian, but appartantly his wife is/was.
He's a clear take on it-
http://www.agri-pulse.com/Ben-Carson...s-08242015.asp
Agreed, apparently there are conflicting reports about Carson.

I am sure his handlers have informed him that a significant number of voters do not have a favorable view of vegetarians. Is it possible Carson has had to say he eats meat so that republican primary voters won't have the chance to view him unfavorably as a vegetarian?

If he grew up as a 7th Day Adventist he is certainly very familiar with vegetarian diets. Also, the article you have linked suggests he is sympathetic to or even supportive of vegetarianism.

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And of course we have the Party For The Animals in our government. All their meetings are vegetal (no milk, cheese or eggs too).

http://www.partyfortheanimals.nl/

My usual answer: I have never heard a convincing reason to eat meat.
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I found an old article from vegetairian times which was clear Carson had taken a veg diet seriously in the 90's.
Just a reminder that diet doesn't mean much when looking for a leader
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I found an old article from vegetairian times which was clear Carson had taken a veg diet seriously in the 90's.
Just a reminder that diet doesn't mean much when looking for a leader
This. Carson is ridiculous. Did you see the photos of his house? It's basically a shrine to himself.
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I like Corbyn. He reminds me of Bernie Sanders.
Yeah - me too. I think I'll still vote Green though ...

Though my borough now has the tories in charge so next local election I may end up voting tactically (not my preferred option but needs must).
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This. Carson is ridiculous. Did you see the photos of his house? It's basically a shrine to himself.
You should see Trump's house.
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Maybe if this where the case we wouldn't have such a vast assortment of problems idk just thinking out loud
I don't know if you are in the U.S., but here ya go: http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?catId=1&pageId=2568

Cory Booker is also vegan, last i was aware.

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I found an old article from vegetairian times which was clear Carson had taken a veg diet seriously in the 90's.
Just a reminder that diet doesn't mean much when looking for a leader
Amen.

ETA: Carson is also a timely reminder that someone can be gifted in a particular profession, yet be a total idiot in many other aspects.
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Yeah - me too. I think I'll still vote Green though ...

Though my borough now has the tories in charge so next local election I may end up voting tactically (not my preferred option but needs must).
My immigration status is such that I can't yet vote in UK elections, but in planning for the future I'm already torn between voting with my heart (green) or voting tactically (labour).
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My immigration status is such that I can't yet vote in UK elections, but in planning for the future I'm already torn between voting with my heart (green) or voting tactically (labour).
It depends a bit on where you live. I'm lucky we have some Green councillors in my area but they don't have enough of the 'market share' to make up a functioning council. My ward is Lib Dem so I'll have to make a decision between them and the Labour party to ensure that the Tories stay out. Le sigh - I wish we could vote on more stuff on a case by case basis ...
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Cory Booker -U.S. Senate (D-NJ)
Ben Carson -Neurosurgeon and Presidential candidate (R)

are both vegetarians.
Senator Cory Booker follows a vegan diet these days. He has been vegetarian since 1992, but I read a 2014 article where he talked about how he'd have an egg on the road and find himself more and more uncomfortable with its origin story. He said, "I wasn't living my truth."

About a month ago he had to host lunch for the Congressional Black Caucus (reps and senators), and lunch was a lavish vegan buffet. One of the guests said "We'll never ask you to provide lunch again," but I think she was the only one who complained to his face. His point was about healthy eating, that black Americans have higher incidence of diabetes, cancer and heart disease than whites and deserve reliable information about the role of food.

Booker is also on every short list being leaked to the press for Hillary Clinton's running mate. He endorsed her very early in the race.
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In Portugal they have a veg political party. So far, they've been able to put an end to euthanasia in animal shelters, and get veterinary bills to be accepted for income taxes.
They also tried to put an end to bullfighting events, and especially minors working in those events, but unfortunately the bill didn't pass. And of course, they are also trying to get more schools to have vegan options.

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