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#1 Old 07-31-2015, 09:05 PM
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What should we say ?

Take this conversation into account.

Vegetarian: I am vegetarian I do not eat meat.

Non-veg guy : then why do you eat Eggs?

Veg: yes vegetarians eat eggs. vegans don't. And I am not a Vegan.

Non-veg guy: C'mon Vegetarians don't eat eggs. You are not a Vegetarian.

Vegetarian :

what should a Vegetarian say?
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#2 Old 07-31-2015, 09:26 PM
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In some countries the term 'vegetarian' means someone who eats a vegan diet, but doesn't adhere to the entire vegan lifestyle. However, usually in North America people have known in to mean someone who doesn't eat meat but still eats eggs and dairy. The technical term for that is 'Lacto-ovo-vegetarian'.

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Take this conversation into account.

Vegetarian: I am vegetarian I do not eat meat.

Non-veg guy : then why do you eat Eggs?

Veg: yes vegetarians eat eggs. vegans don't. And I am not a Vegan.

Non-veg guy: C'mon Vegetarians don't eat eggs. You are not a Vegetarian.

Vegetarian :

what should a Vegetarian say?
I used to respond with "Vegetarian, as defined by the Vegetarian Society, is someone who does not eat animals. There ARE vegetarians who don't eat eggs or dairy. But then there's carnists who don't eat pork, or cows, or dogs..... They're still carnists"
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#4 Old 07-31-2015, 11:52 PM
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The word 'vegetarian' entered into common usage in 1847, when the Vegetarian Society was formed at Ramsgate ... By unanimous vote they defined 'vegetarian' as a diet free of flesh, fish, and fowl WITH OR WITHOUT eggs and milk. It was originally used within a small community which was on the 'without' side. This group organized the conference and reached out to a similar group that was on the 'with' side. The 'with or without' clause was a compromise that everyone signed off on - remember, the vote was unanimous.

So it was defined that way is the short answer. The definition was often criticized by members of both camps, but it's what stuck. You are using the word correctly. It would take time travel to change it

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Tell them eggs are not dead animal. You are eating unfertilized eggs, no chicken had been created from the egg prior to your consumption.
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Since egg laying hens are a different strain of chicken than those used for meat production, the male chicks that hatch are useless to them and they put these baby chicks in a giant blender while they're still alive. They call it an industrial macerator. So unless the eggs you eat come from a free range local farm, then you are supporting millions of baby chicks being put in a giant blender every year.
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Since egg laying hens are a different strain of chicken than those used for meat production, the male chicks that hatch are useless to them and they put these baby chicks in a giant blender while they're still alive. They call it an industrial macerator. So unless the eggs you eat come from a free range local farm, then you are supporting millions of baby chicks being put in a giant blender every year.

There is no law prohibiting free-range chicken farms from practicing chick-culling (the separation and maceration of male baby chicks). "Free-range" rules apply only to the actual egg-laying hens.


USDA definition for "free range": http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/con...df?MOD=AJPERES


Wikipedia entry for "chick culling": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

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Tell them you are a lacto ovo vegetarian. Lacto means you consume milk. Ovo means you eat eggs.

if you didn't eat eggs you would be a lacto vegetarian.
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It might also be worth asking what gives him the right to take the moral high ground towards you when he not only eats eggs, but eats the meat of dead animals too.


I've met similar people pulling me up on wearing leather shoes whilst being vegetarian. Whether that's right or wrong is a separate debate, but the person presenting that case to me wears leather shoes AND eats meat. I think some people just enjoy picking fault in others.


I eat what I feel comfortable eating, and cut out of my diet anything that I don't think is morally justifiable. I try not to get too hung up on labels and names.
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Take this conversation into account.

Vegetarian: I am vegetarian I do not eat meat.

Non-veg guy : then why do you eat Eggs?

Veg: yes vegetarians eat eggs. vegans don't. And I am not a Vegan.

Non-veg guy: C'mon Vegetarians don't eat eggs. You are not a Vegetarian.

Vegetarian :

what should a Vegetarian say?
You can say, "You're speaking to a vegetarian, and I just told you. Not all vegetarians eat eggs or dairy, but eggs and dairy are consistent with a vegetarian diet. Look it up in any dictionary."
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Since egg laying hens are a different strain of chicken than those used for meat production, the male chicks that hatch are useless to them and they put these baby chicks in a giant blender while they're still alive. They call it an industrial macerator. So unless the eggs you eat come from a free range local farm, then you are supporting millions of baby chicks being put in a giant blender every year.
This is the Vegetarian Support forum. It's not appropriate to use this forum as a platform to scold vegetarians for not following a vegan diet.
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There is no law prohibiting free-range chicken farms from practicing chick-culling (the separation and maceration of male baby chicks). "Free-range" rules apply only to the actual egg-laying hens.


USDA definition for "free range": http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/wcm/con...df?MOD=AJPERES


Wikipedia entry for "chick culling": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling
The smaller the farm, the more likely they are to be using dual-use breeds of chicken, suitable for both meat and egg-laying. So the male chicks grow up to become broilers. Not sure that's such a great deal for the broilers, getting slaughtered months down the line when their nervous systems are further along. At any rate, that's for a separate debate (preferably in Compost Heap, not on Vegetarian Support), not for a thread on what to say to someone who thinks vegetarians don't eat eggs.
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Thanks for letting me know I came across as scolding Joan and I apologize to SilverCat if it seemed that way. I'm not vegan either, it's just I didn't know about the putting live baby chicks in a blender thing until about a week ago. I was kind of shocked and traumatized when I found out so now I feel like it's my moral obligation to let other people know that's happening because I don't think most people know about it. I certainly won't eat another chicken egg again, not that I liked them that much anyway. In fact, I've always hated scrambled eggs and the breakfast places that serve them like IHOP, Waffle House, etc. Waffle House, more like Awful House I say. Never really liked boiled eggs that much either because they're smelly too, but smelly in a different way than scrambled eggs. Both are pretty bad though I think scrambled eggs are worse because they have that slimy texture on top of the smell.
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Thanks for letting me know I came across as scolding Joan and I apologize to SilverCat if it seemed that way. I'm not vegan either, it's just I didn't know about the putting live baby chicks in a blender thing until about a week ago. I was kind of shocked and traumatized when I found out so now I feel like it's my moral obligation to let other people know that's happening because I don't think most people know about it. I certainly won't eat another chicken egg again, not that I liked them that much anyway. In fact, I've always hated scrambled eggs and the breakfast places that serve them like IHOP, Waffle House, etc. Waffle House, more like Awful House I say. Never really liked boiled eggs that much either because they're smelly too, but smelly in a different way than scrambled eggs. Both are pretty bad though I think scrambled eggs are worse because they have that slimy texture on top of the smell.
Do they just kill the baby chicks and dispose them as waste or do they eat it somehow?
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Do they just kill the baby chicks and dispose them as waste or do they eat it somehow?
I think it might depend on the company. I've read that the female ducklings killed in the production of fois gras are sometimes made into cat food. It could be the same with chicks. Either way, it's awful to think about.
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I think it might depend on the company. I've read that the female ducklings killed in the production of fois gras are sometimes made into cat food. It could be the same with chicks. Either way, it's awful to think about.
Yeah.
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nothing gets wasted. they are usually used as pet food. so are a lot of pets who get euthanized at the vet, horses and cows who get taken apart at the vet school--their body parts are taken to a rendering plant. they separate the fat from the protein and those streams go to different purposes (soaps vs animal feeds, for example).
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nothing gets wasted.
that is a relief at least.
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that is a relief at least.
It's funny, but no one ever says, "At least Dahmer ate those boys so they wouldn't go to waste..."
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The vegetarian should say "I encourage you to research the differences between vegetarianism and veganism, because there IS a difference and my personal boundaries are drawn against eating flesh, not eggs (or dairy if you consume dairy)". I find letting people look into things themselves is a far better option than letting the incorrectly assume I'm wrong and an idiot and to stand behind what you're saying. You are a vegetarian. Vegetarians can eat eggs and/or dairy and/or honey based on their personal beliefs, vegans consume no animal products. It's a widely acknowledged and accepted difference in dietary/lifestyle choice. If other person is that interested, let him/her go look into it themselves.
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If you put yourself in the other person's situation and they are not a jerk, then that was a fair question. In their mind they are asking why you can eat eggs, but not animals? I have seen a lot of documentaries about the terrible conditions of large meat producing facilities, but am still not real up to date on ethical vegetarianism or veganism. I have heard that eating eggs is just as bad or worse than eating meat so this guy may have a point in his question.
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If you put yourself in the other person's situation and they are not a jerk, then that was a fair question. In their mind they are asking why you can eat eggs, but not animals? I have seen a lot of documentaries about the terrible conditions of large meat producing facilities, but am still not real up to date on ethical vegetarianism or veganism. I have heard that eating eggs is just as bad or worse than eating meat so this guy may have a point in his question.
Again, this is the Vegetarian Support forum, not the forum for trying to make the case that vegetarians should take on vegan ways. Which you are entitled to believe, research, and discuss on VeggieBoards but should discuss on a vegan forum or in Compost Heap. Not here. Vegetarian Support is for supporting people who don't eat meat, and maybe are quite recently off meat, for whatever ethical or cultural or health-based reason, but who might eat eggs and/or dairy and/or honey. The questioner being quoted in the opening thread here isn't challenging the ethics of eggs, but whether or not vegetarians can or do eat eggs. I don't mean to shut down this thread, or delete posts, or move this topic to Compost Heap. However, anything you want to say that boils down to "I think you shouldn't eat eggs" belongs on a different forum.
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