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#2731 Old 04-20-2015, 06:20 PM
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How old is your sister. (Re) Read Charlotte's Web to her and ask who was inconvenienced in that story. The farmer, the little girl, the uncle, or the pig.
She turned 12 last month. I'm just waiting for her school to do dissection in a few years. I'm curious to see if she's as nonchalant about suffering when she's forced to face it head on.


And I have another. My class is taking a field trip to our teacher's sheep farm.
I'm not going.

Friend: Why won't you come? It's not meat! He just sheers the sheep!

*face-palm* It's the principle of me going to a farm that is unacceptable to me. Especially this particular person's farm. He's a jerk towards animals and teaches a bias toward the meat industry.
To the point that having me in his class makes him WANT an argument.
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Can someone please explain to me why people are so obsessed with protein and why they think it only comes from animals? I was at a going away party on Sunday and I guess it is diet season because that's what everyone is talking about. The one girl said how she was doing the insanity workout and kept saying "I need to build muscle so I need tons of protein. Protein makes you thin and gives you muscle." She is apparently doing the Atkins diet and she said how bad fruit is for you and that it gives you diabetes. And some other lady goes "Yes that is why vegetarians aren't healthy because your body needs protein." And then my mom completely embarrasses me and says, "Actually my daughter is a vegetarian, we just got blood work done and she's perfectly healthy." Then of course, "But where do you get your protein?!!!" And then the lady told me it is a phase and she doesn't know anyone who lived a long healthy life being a vegetarian and that's why there are no old vegetarians. It was really embarrassing but my mom and I just laughed about it in the car afterwards. :P
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And then the lady told me it is a phase and she doesn't know anyone who lived a long healthy life being a vegetarian and that's why there are no old vegetarians.
My sister is 82 years long vegetarian and lives with her husband on a little farm. No help needed.
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Can someone please explain to me why people are so obsessed with protein and why they think it only comes from animals? I was at a going away party on Sunday and I guess it is diet season because that's what everyone is talking about. The one girl said how she was doing the insanity workout and kept saying "I need to build muscle so I need tons of protein. Protein makes you thin and gives you muscle." She is apparently doing the Atkins diet and she said how bad fruit is for you and that it gives you diabetes. And some other lady goes "Yes that is why vegetarians aren't healthy because your body needs protein." And then my mom completely embarrasses me and says, "Actually my daughter is a vegetarian, we just got blood work done and she's perfectly healthy." Then of course, "But where do you get your protein?!!!" And then the lady told me it is a phase and she doesn't know anyone who lived a long healthy life being a vegetarian and that's why there are no old vegetarians. It was really embarrassing but my mom and I just laughed about it in the car afterwards. :P
Show her this http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-protein/
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''But I need my meat''


Its not your meat and you don't need it.
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A couple days after I made the decision to give up meat, I had an interesting conversation with my mum. This is just a little excerpt:

Mum: So, can you have fish?
Me: No! I don't eat meat.
Mum: But fish isn't meat?
Me: Yes, it is!
Mum: (super sarcastically) Oh what, so poultry is meat as well?
Me: YES IT ABSOLUTELY IS.

Hahahah it was actually the funniest thing ever. It took a little while for her to understand that meat = flesh from a living animal... But she has been super supportive always buying me all the legumes, tofu and vegetables I could ever want, looking out for new vegan foods in the supermarkets and actually reading all the labels for me!
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Yesterday, I saw a comment on Facebook saying "Why don't people just drink REAL milk instead of this almond crap?"

Bro, I'm 22. I don't think my mom is producing milk anymore.
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That's great. I might steal that response for later.
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Yesterday, I saw a comment on Facebook saying "Why don't people just drink REAL milk instead of this almond crap?"

Bro, I'm 22. I don't think my mom is producing milk anymore.
That is one of the most awesome responses I have ever read!
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''But I need my meat''


Its not your meat and you don't need it.
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Yesterday, I saw a comment on Facebook saying "Why don't people just drink REAL milk instead of this almond crap?"

Bro, I'm 22. I don't think my mom is producing milk anymore.
Congratulations on winning the internet, both of you. I really need to use these answers.

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My grandmother, in all seriousness, asked me if I would eat a banana.

I love her, but really?
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A quote from a comrade of mine a few days ago; "ASH WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" "E-... eating a sandwich.." "ASH YOU'RE EATING BREAD!!! VEGANS CANT EAT BREAD!!!" "I.... w-....what?"

Also from my dad

"Ash, beer has gluten in it, vegans cant eat that stuff right?"

And from grandma

"I'm not offering you meat dear I'm offering you chicken."

And from another friend

"But humans should at least eat lean meat right?" "No" "But its not fattening." me: *looks at him*.... I didnt have the heart to say "and thats why you're 300 lb and I'm 198"

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I agree that lean meats in moderation are not fattening, but if he's 300 pounds he's surely eating more unhealthy meats and other unhealthy foods.
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Upon hearing of my new-found vegetarianism, my nan asked my mum whether I could eat chicken. Me and my mum thought this was silly and ridiculous but laughed it off, saying "oh, what is she like?"

However, a week later, my nan informed my mum that she'd thought of this recipe that I could make that's vegetarian. She lists the ingredients.. "X...Y... Z.. and bacon". Obviously my mum said "What, are you serious?! She obviously can't eat that" and my nan genuinely said "What, I assumed that would be fine? I don't know what's wrong with that".

My mum and I are quite concerned now that my nan doesn't know where bacon comes from. Just so you all know, she's not senile, just unbelievably ditzy.
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And then the lady told me it is a phase and she doesn't know anyone who lived a long healthy life being a vegetarian and that's why there are no old vegetarians. It was really embarrassing but my mom and I just laughed about it in the car afterwards. :P
If you see the lady again, you can politely tell her you met a sixty-two year old man on the internet who hasn't had any meat for forty-four years and has the BP, cholesterol, and blood sugar of an eighteen year old. That's me!

And he told you about a lady who passed on happily and peacefully at ninety-three not having eaten meat for fifty-two years. That was my mom!
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''I can't eat that kind of stuff its not me'' - Quote from my Mum
No you won't eat that ''stuff'' because old habits die hard.
''Just eat your bloody meat!'' - Quote from Brother
No bloody meat for me thanks I rather it stuff that's not full of fear and fat
''So where are you going to get your nutrients from'' Quote from Friend
Erm from Vegetables what else?
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Lol, I was asked recently if I ate bread. Yes. Cake even.
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If you see the lady again, you can politely tell her you met a sixty-two year old man on the internet who hasn't had any meat for forty-four years and has the BP, cholesterol, and blood sugar of an eighteen year old. That's me!

And he told you about a lady who passed on happily and peacefully at ninety-three not having eaten meat for fifty-two years. That was my mom!
Hello Veggieman! That is AWESOME. I love reading and hearing of people who have been veggie for that long! It is so inspiring. I will definitely tell her this when I see her again. And wow your mother is such an inspiration too! That is wonderful.
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A couple days after I made the decision to give up meat, I had an interesting conversation with my mum. This is just a little excerpt:

Mum: So, can you have fish?
Me: No! I don't eat meat.
Mum: But fish isn't meat?
Me: Yes, it is!
Mum: (super sarcastically) Oh what, so poultry is meat as well?
Me: YES IT ABSOLUTELY IS.

Hahahah it was actually the funniest thing ever. It took a little while for her to understand that meat = flesh from a living animal... But she has been super supportive always buying me all the legumes, tofu and vegetables I could ever want, looking out for new vegan foods in the supermarkets and actually reading all the labels for me!
Hilarious! I had a similar conversation with a friend once, quite frustrating then but funny in retrospect... Sounds like your mom is doing a good job though

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Yesterday, I saw a comment on Facebook saying "Why don't people just drink REAL milk instead of this almond crap?"

Bro, I'm 22. I don't think my mom is producing milk anymore.
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''I can't eat that kind of stuff its not me'' - Quote from my Mum
No you won't eat that ''stuff'' because old habits die hard.
''Just eat your bloody meat!'' - Quote from Brother
No bloody meat for me thanks I rather it stuff that's not full of fear and fat
''So where are you going to get your nutrients from'' Quote from Friend
Erm from Vegetables what else?
Well, at least your brother isn't shunning away from where meat comes from...
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That play on words flew over my head for a second. I get it now. He's not usin it as an adjective.*facepalm*
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Thank you for your kind words!

My mother was raised Seventh-Day Adventist so they had no meat growing up. She lapsed as an adult, but came back to it later and it stuck for the rest of her life, as it did for two of my aunts. I am more of a yoga vegetarian.

I never ever feel like I'm missing anything!
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''I can't eat that kind of stuff its not me'' - Quote from my Mum
No you won't eat that ''stuff'' because old habits die hard.
''Just eat your bloody meat!'' - Quote from Brother
No bloody meat for me thanks I rather it stuff that's not full of fear and fat
''So where are you going to get your nutrients from'' Quote from Friend
Erm from Vegetables what else?
What about fruit, grains and legumes?

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Lately a lot of my friends have been comparing veganism to being religious, saying things such as "It's, like, I don't judge someone for being religious so they shouldn't judge me for being an atheist" or "Just like I won't let vegans make me feel bad for eating meat, I won't let someone try to convert me to Christianity." I hate this. They are no way the same thing. Religion is centred around something subjective, non-falsifiable and appeals to tradition. Veganism is centred around something objective, falsifiable and cannot be discounted. I get so frustrated when people act like choosing not to exploit animals is akin to believing in a God. Animals feel pain, so I don't exploit them. What the f will that ever have to do with religion? These people use the 'religion' reference to say that you can't prove compassion - of course you can, DON'T KILL OUR FRIENDS!
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Religion is centred around something subjective, non-falsifiable and appeals to tradition. Veganism is centred around something objective, falsifiable and cannot be discounted.
I can falsify religion in minutes, there are so many gaping holes in them if one really wants to look at the obvious. As most religions have been edited by humankind over 6000 years its hard to verify anything written there.

That apart lets look at the definition of religion : the belief & worship of a power beyond human understanding either in the form of idolized gods or gods with no form. This definition itself shows that veganism has nothing to do with "religion". Choosing to leave nature alone doesn't mean worship of nature or considering animals as forms of "god". There is not one text that fully explains God, so the meaning of that word itself is undecided. People in general equate "being good" or "doing good" as a religious deed, they find it hard to comprehend that people believe in good on their own volition. Thus you don't have to feel too irritated, people always are scared/curious of what they don't understand and try to find meaning from their own perspective which leads to foolish conclusions.
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Lately a lot of my friends have been comparing veganism to being religious, saying things such as "It's, like, I don't judge someone for being religious so they shouldn't judge me for being an atheist" or "Just like I won't let vegans make me feel bad for eating meat, I won't let someone try to convert me to Christianity." I hate this. They are no way the same thing. Religion is centred around something subjective, non-falsifiable and appeals to tradition. Veganism is centred around something objective, falsifiable and cannot be discounted. I get so frustrated when people act like choosing not to exploit animals is akin to believing in a God. Animals feel pain, so I don't exploit them. What the f will that ever have to do with religion? These people use the 'religion' reference to say that you can't prove compassion - of course you can, DON'T KILL OUR FRIENDS!
This bugs me, too. I think the implication is that vegans subscribe to a dogma. That's why we're often asked about outrageous hypothetical situations like desert islands, or whether swallowing our own saliva is vegan even though it's technically an animal product. In religion, if holy law commands you to abstain from animal products, it would be a sin to consume animal products in any situation-- and I imagine that's what many omnivores think of us. They don't understand that our choice to avoid meat, dairy, and eggs isn't arbitrary. We abstain for practical reasons. Logic and reason factor into every decision we make. Veganism is a rational, sane, sensible lifestyle choice rooted firmly in observable reality.
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I had to go to a co-workers baby shower today, and since most of our office is some degree of pescetarian -- vegan, I anticipated a decent lunch. Nope.

"Don't worry, the cookies are vegan." Thanks, but I don't think cookies are a very satisfying lunch, all said and done.

I ended up eating crackers -_-
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I can falsify religion in minutes, there are so many gaping holes in them if one really wants to look at the obvious. As most religions have been edited by humankind over 6000 years its hard to verify anything written there.

That apart lets look at the definition of religion : the belief & worship of a power beyond human understanding either in the form of idolized gods or gods with no form. This definition itself shows that veganism has nothing to do with "religion". Choosing to leave nature alone doesn't mean worship of nature or considering animals as forms of "god". There is not one text that fully explains God, so the meaning of that word itself is undecided. People in general equate "being good" or "doing good" as a religious deed, they find it hard to comprehend that people believe in good on their own volition. Thus you don't have to feel too irritated, people always are scared/curious of what they don't understand and try to find meaning from their own perspective which leads to foolish conclusions.
SORRY I MEANT FALSIFIABLE!! Not non-falsifiable. And yes, I agree with everything you just said
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This bugs me, too. I think the implication is that vegans subscribe to a dogma. That's why we're often asked about outrageous hypothetical situations like desert islands, or whether swallowing our own saliva is vegan even though it's technically an animal product. In religion, if holy law commands you to abstain from animal products, it would be a sin to consume animal products in any situation-- and I imagine that's what many omnivores think of us. They don't understand that our choice to avoid meat, dairy, and eggs isn't arbitrary. We abstain for practical reasons. Logic and reason factor into every decision we make. Veganism is a rational, sane, sensible lifestyle choice rooted firmly in observable reality.
Exactly! When people ask me "Why don't you eat <insert animal product here>?" I genuinely reply "Why would I?" because honestly, why would you? If you don't have to, why would you? For protein, I could go kill a neighbour's cat, or eat the spiders in the corner of my room, but I don't because I don't need to... There is nothing related to religion about that. People seem to leave the conversation shocked at themselves when I say "If I have animal products in my left hand and plant-based in my right, why would I eat that which causes more death than life? In what situation in your life would you pick an abundance of suffering over nourishing nature - why is this any different?" I can understand those who are simply ignorant, but it's the ones that know and choose to kill on that sadden me.
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People seem to leave the conversation shocked at themselves when I say "If I have animal products in my left hand and plant-based in my right, why would I eat that which causes more death than life?
The problem is they'll retort by saying stuff like "plants have life too" "face it you're killing a plant when you pluck it". Then more stuff like plants and trees give out oxygen, animals consume oxygen which one would you prefer? Almost every illogical statement on earth to cover their rear ends. Throw in a "man was supposed to be a meat eater as he was hunting for survival for as long as he lived" part as their ace in the hole.

What they conveniently leave out is that fact that hunting in those times was as dangerous to the man as it was to the animal, more people were killed during hunting than animals. Even if they succeeded they merely hunted for survival.. not to gain muscle or leather or several other by-products. Neither was there a production line where cows were fed steroids or chickens were tied up to a pole awaiting their death. Industrialization is the most evil creation of man, a concept where pain, morality and collateral damage is ignored all for $$$$$. If every meat eater today is asked to hunt for every meal 90% of them will go veggie overnight.
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Just read a comment saying: "My brain needs the cholesterol". And yes, she was referring to the cholesterol found in animal foods. I laughed.
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