Originally Posted by anrbjotk
Don't know how many here have read "The Vegetarian Myth: Food, Justice, and Sustainability"
or similar literature, but I wonder how many vegetarians actually don't conform to the stereotype of animal rights activism...
Or, let me explain:
I believe that humans Can eat meat and it's therefore a free choice. I believe that to eat meat, to hunt animals for meat, is not only OK, but actually sometimes a necessity and adds to the bond and communication between mankind and nature. I do Not support the modern meat-business where animals are treating appallingly, but someone who hunts their own meat, and only kill enough to feed themselves are Not monsters in my book.
I haven't read the book and don't know what stereotypes you're talking about. But I agree that hunting is better than factory farming. I don't agree that it's necessary for communicating with nature.
There seems to be this awful trend in contemporary urban life where people, mainly young people, like to fight for animal rights, fight for preservation of nature, for organic food, etc, yet Still continue to live in the big cities and support the industrial machinery which destroys the same earth they claim to love. A lot of these people Never go hiking or camping in the woods, never ever set foot somewhere green except for Parks, and still seem to think that they are "connected" with nature. For me, "true" connection with nature involves living in pact with it, living off it, going into a communication with it, Not merely living in the big city and not eating meat. One prime example of a culture truly in contact with nature is the Native Americans. How many native americans were vegetarian I wonder...
Are you suggesting that animal rights supporters don't eat meat, because they think not doing so will help them connect with nature? If so, that is false for the most part.
Or are you just arguing that people should connect with nature? If so, what does this have to do with animal rights supporters or meat eating? That would apply to everyone living in urban areas.
Regarding these same aforementioned lifestyle-vegans, how many of them would refuse to kill a lion or tiger, only to be eaten by the same animal?
Probably none. Just as they would probably not refuse to kill a human in self defense.
Are these vegetarians assuming that animals somehow practice the same non-violent-Gandhi-philosophy themselves?
There is no non-violent-Gandhi-philosophy inherent in vegetarianism.
Are we assuming animals are all pacifists? No, that would be absurd. But what is your point?
And is this just another example of anthropomorphising?
Is the non-religious vegetarian movement hypocritical?
Is it a product of the abundance in the west?
It is made easier by the abundance in the west, although I'm sure it exists outside the west. There are anti-animal cruelty laws in a wide variety of countries.
Compared to people in underdeveloped countries who do not have the possibility to be vegetarians, we're pretty spoiled...
Indeed. And compared to the Donner Party who had to resort to cannibalism, people in underdeveloped countries are pretty spoiled.
All in all, these are Just questions that I have been playing with, they are not neccessarily my views, I just wanted to throw out some hypotheticals and see where it goes...
Love and peace to you, and carrot stew, too!
Some of the questions are a little confusing, but doing my best to answer.
Originally Posted by anrbjotk
In the great scheme of things, within the laws of nature, man is meant to eat meat.
Humans are not meant to do anything. According to some religious views that may be true, but nature (viewed from a purely scientific non-religious perspective) has no intention. For humans to be meant to eat meat implies we were designed by a higher intelligence who intended for us to eat it.
The fact is, the human body is versatile enough that we can choose to eat or not eat meat.
What I mean is that vegetarianism has been around for thousands of years, yet it is only recently that
To cut you off mid sentence, it is only recently that we have modern factory farming. Is a reactionary trend in response surprising?
veggies go around with this attitude like they somehow are solving the problems of the world
Do they? I would need evidence to be convinced of this. I've know many veggies and I don't agree that they have this attitude.
and that not eating meat MUST MEAN that you are against any productive use of animal meat...
This assumption I have seen both from veggies and from omnivores. One example: I mentioned to an omnivore that I did not eat meat, because he was asking me about burgers. He said "Okay. Do you ever wear leather belts or shoes?" He as much as admitted that he was going to call me a hypocrite if I said yes. Sadly many veggies would agree with him. I don't wear leather, but this I find this "hypocrisy" nonsense tiresome. Vegetarianism is a diet, not a manifesto.