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I know picky eaters like that, who won't eat fruits/veggies/grains, just high fat, deep fried food. It's no surprise when every one has told me that they go days without pooping. Days, like 3-4, sometimes more. That can't be comfortable.

Wow.  I don't even...wow.

 

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Wow.  I don't even...wow.

 

Dependent on laxatives much?

 

Maybe. Or they just wait it out. Seriously, OUCH. When I was an omni, it wasn't uncommon to go every other day or every 3 days. I don't miss those days at all.

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There's an ad for a family benefit pinned up at my work. The paper explains that the family is going through hard times and really could use some extra money.

 

The wife is "undergoing treatment for breast cancer." The husband is in "remission from leukemia" and suffers from "severe diabetes" and just had a "quadruple bypass last August."

 

The fundraising event is a steak fry.

 

(I'm not trying to make fun of these people, but just point out how sad the whole situation is.)


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There's an ad for a family benefit pinned up at my work. The paper explains that the family is going through hard times and really could use some extra money.

 

The wife is "undergoing treatment for breast cancer." The husband is in "remission from leukemia" and suffers from "severe diabetes" and just had a "quadruple bypass last August."

 

The fundraising event is a steak fry.

 

(I'm not trying to make fun of these people, but just point out how sad the whole situation is.)

 

 

Yeah, that is really sad.sad.gif


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Yeah, that is really sad.sad.gif

 

My father had colon cancer about ten years ago. He had the tumor surgically removed and he's been cancer free ever since. Still, part of why I wanted to go vegetarian when I began was and still is for health reasons. I really wanted to reduce my risk of cancer and heart disease, as it's extremely common on both sides of my family.

 

When I told someone close to me I was omitting meat from my diet they completely flipped. I now know they were mostly upset about the idea of being unable to share favorite family recipes any more, but at the time, they were really emotional and combative. I tried to explain my reasoning and they refused to accept that my father's high meat-protein diet, that included red meat almost daily, had anything to do with his cancer. They refused to believe that his high cholesterol was anything but genetic. It was really upsetting.

 

At one point they implied that I didn't know what I was talking about anyway.

 

I said, "I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I've spent a lot of time looking into this. I've done a lot of reading."

They replied, "It's not about reading, Chris. It's about common sense."

 

...my thoughts on "common sense" could probably fill its own thread, so I'll stop there for now.

 

The steak-fry thing is upsetting, but it's more upsetting how few people really understand the risks of eating a lot of meat, especially red meat. I'm all for personal freedoms. I believe people have the right to be unhealthy if they wish. However, I also believe in education and information. I believe in fairness. Too few people are educated about their diets and too few care to learn. Too few people consider the future and the repercussions of their unhealthy ways, or what economic consequences there may be for themselves, their families, and in a larger scope, for the health care system.

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The steak-fry thing is upsetting, but it's more upsetting how few people really understand the risks of eating a lot of meat, especially red meat. I'm all for personal freedoms. I believe people have the right to be unhealthy if they wish. However, I also believe in education and information. I believe in fairness. Too few people are educated about their diets and too few care to learn. Too few people consider the future and the repercussions of their unhealthy ways, or what economic consequences there may be for themselves, their families, and in a larger scope, for the health care system.

 

I seriously could not agree more. 

People have free will and a right to choose. But my goal (hopefully one that I could make a career out of) is to educate and inform people about what's really going on in the food industry and other industries that affect both animals and the environment. I want them to be able to make a decision based on the truth rather than what they have been told or what they assume. 


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I said, "I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I've spent a lot of time looking into this. I've done a lot of reading."

They replied, "It's not about reading, Chris. It's about common sense."

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The steak-fry thing is upsetting, but it's more upsetting how few people really understand the risks of eating a lot of meat, especially red meat. I'm all for personal freedoms. I believe people have the right to be unhealthy if they wish. However, I also believe in education and information. I believe in fairness. Too few people are educated about their diets and too few care to learn. Too few people consider the future and the repercussions of their unhealthy ways, or what economic consequences there may be for themselves, their families, and in a larger scope, for the health care system.

 

One of the things I think people in the USA in particular (though it happens over here too) can be victims of which does nothing to rectify the kinds of ignorance you describe above, is the political power - via processes like lobbying - that big food industries can wield.

 

I've been watching "The Men Who Made Us Fat" in the UK recently, which is a fairly lightweight yet fascinating look into those industries which have contributed to a vast increase in obesity (amongst other health problems) in the past few decades, both in the US and more latterly, over here too. The repression of academic papers demonstrating the relationship between the kinds of high meat, high fat, high sugar foods provided by big and powerful fast food chains in particular, and serious illnesses such as diabetes, various forms of cancer and heart disease, is really pretty disturbing. And it's not only papers that have been repressed, rather going off on a tangent here but even careers have been damaged by economically motivated campaigns to discredit the work of researchers who have released findings which don't make happy reading for the McDonalds of this world. 

 

That's the uphill struggle faced by advocates of healthier diets such as meat and dairy free diets. Having said that, I think the message is finally getting out there. And ironically, considering the superficiality of much celebrity culture, it's celebrity advocates who are probably responsible for a fair amount of public education on that front, rather than government health authorities who cow tow to the money wielded by industry!

 

 

ETA: A tangential issue but this story from 2003 is worth reading when considering the power that can be exerted by big junk food companies:

 

The sugar industry in the US is threatening to bring the World Health Organisation to its knees by demanding that Congress end its funding unless the WHO scraps guidelines on healthy eating, due to be published on Wednesday.The threat is being described by WHO insiders as tantamount to blackmail and worse than any pressure exerted by the tobacco lobby.In a letter to Gro Harlem Brundtland, the WHO's director general, the Sugar Association says it will "exercise every avenue available to expose the dubious nature" of the WHO's report on diet and nutrition, including challenging its $406m (£260m) funding from the US.The industry is furious at the guidelines, which say that sugar should account for no more than 10% of a healthy diet. It claims that the review by international experts which decided on the 10% limit is scientifically flawed, insisting that other evidence indicates that a quarter of our food and drink intake can safely consist of sugar."Taxpayers' dollars should not be used to support misguided, non-science-based reports which do not add to the health and well-being of Americans, much less the rest of the world," says the letter. "If necessary we will promote and encourage new laws which require future WHO funding to be provided only if the organisation accepts that all reports must be supported by the preponderance of science."The association, together with six other big food industry groups, has also written to the US health secretary, Tommy Thompson, asking him to use his influence to get the WHO report withdrawn. The coalition includes the US Council for International Business, comprising more than 300 companies, including Coca-Cola and Pepsico.


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I seriously could not agree more. 

People have free will and a right to choose. But my goal (hopefully one that I could make a career out of) is to educate and inform people about what's really going on in the food industry and other industries that affect both animals and the environment. I want them to be able to make a decision based on the truth rather than what they have been told or what they assume. 

 

I think one of the best ways to do this is to be a good example. I try to eat healthy, delicious food. I always offer to make that food for others as well. I don't "cheat" on my choices and I always try to politely make it clear that it is a choice. When asked questions, I respond with the facts I'm confident I know, or I recommend a reliable resource. Most of all, I always try to be honest about my reasons for going veg and my current thoughts and feelings on the subject. I hope that consistently behaving this way gets others interested in learning more.

 

I don't believe handing out pamphlets to aunts and uncles or forcing my dad to watch Meet Your Meat would be very respectful or constructive. I'm not criticizing anyone who does or has done that sort of thing, it's just not something I'm comfortable doing. But it is a dilemma when it comes to family. My parents are a good example. I want them to be healthy and I want them to be around for as long as possible. I worry about their diets sometimes, but I have to resist the temptation to force them to hear or look at information for which they haven't expressed interest. They've got to want to find out about it, or it will only harm our relationships.

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One of the things I think people in the USA in particular (though it happens over here too) can be victims of which does nothing to rectify the kinds of ignorance you describe above, is the political power - via processes like lobbying - that big food industries can wield. I've been watching "The Men Who Made Us Fat" in the UK recently, which is a fairly lightweight yet fascinating look into those industries (meat, sugar etc.) which have contributed to a vast increase in obesity (amongst other health problems) in the past few decades, both in the US and more latterly, over here too. The repression of academic papers demonstrating the relationship between the kinds of high meat, high fat, high sugar foods provided by big and powerful fast food chains in particular, and serious illnesses such as diabetes, various forms of cancer and heart disease, is really pretty disturbing. And it's not only papers that have been repressed, rather going off on a tangent here but even careers have been damaged by economically motivated campaigns to discredit the work of researchers who have released findings which don't make happy reading for the McDonalds of this world. That's the uphill struggle faced by advocates of healthier diets such as meat and dairy free diets. Having said that, I think the message is finally getting out there. And ironically, considering the superficiality of much celebrity culture, it's celebrity advocates who are probably responsible for a fair amount of public education on that front, rather than government health authorities who cow tow to the money wielded by industry!

 

I hate to always be the cynic, but I cringe every time I hear "that can't be true; the Government wouldn't let that happen."

 

I can't speak for the U.K., but the United States' foundation is built from the ideas of men who promoted a healthy skepticism of government. I'm not saying that government can't be trusted at all, but even unflappable optimists should remember that all government is made up of people. Fallible, corruptable people. And in the U.S. (idyllically, at least), it's made up of individuals who come from the same group of people who decided they should be in the government in the first place, so it's at least doubly fallible--maybe exponentially fallible as those officials then appoint others.  

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I have a friend who's an omni, and she is extremely picky about her food.
And then when I explained veganism to her, she was so surprised about "all the things I can't eat."
A lot of omnis are under the misconception that veganism restricts your diet so much because all the things you don't eat are pretty much the only things they do eat. But my diet ended up with a lot more variety and choices when I went vegetarian and then vegan. 

Yeah, it's crazy to me how much your perception changes when you start learning about all the vegan food out there. I used to look at the huge produce aisle at the grocery store and just see salad and maybe some apples, now I realize there are literally thousands of meals (both raw and cooked) you can make from all that. Curries, stir fries, soups! Roast them, bake them, boil them! Endless possibilities and that's only one section of the store drool.gif

When I was a kid all I ate was meat and potatoes and candy, of course I didn't realize vegans had varied diets, my own diet sucked! laugh.gif
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Yeah, it's crazy to me how much your perception changes when you start learning about all the vegan food out there. I used to look at the huge produce aisle at the grocery store and just see salad and maybe some apples, now I realize there are literally thousands of meals (both raw and cooked) you can make from all that. Curries, stir fries, soups! Roast them, bake them, boil them! Endless possibilities and that's only one section of the store drool.gif
When I was a kid all I ate was meat and potatoes and candy, of course I didn't realize vegans had varied diets, my own diet sucked! laugh.gif

 

I am the same way with the produce section of the store now. I'm always trying to imagine new combinations or new ways to fix things. :)

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I know picky eaters like that, who won't eat fruits/veggies/grains, just high fat, deep fried food. It's no surprise when every one has told me that they go days without pooping. Days, like 3-4, sometimes more. That can't be comfortable.

I have a co-worker who does not eat any veggies or fruits. Well, he did tell me that he eats lettuce about twice a year. Most days for lunch he gets chicken fingers and fries. I don't know how he's  alive! 

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Oh my gosh LOL Just found this one scrounging through pro vegan videos.....How far are some people going to walk to justify eating meat? Honestly, they start pulling things out of their a**

 

"Human ancestors could eat raw meat. However you gain more energy from cooked meat and thats why they started to cook it. Evolution conditioned us for cooked meat. "

 

Ummm, okay....where are these clear facts? xD I have never heard of such a thing till now.


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Oh my gosh LOL Just found this one scrounging through pro vegan videos.....How far are some people going to walk to justify eating meat? Honestly, they start pulling things out of their a**

 

"Human ancestors could eat raw meat. However you gain more energy from cooked meat and thats why they started to cook it. Evolution conditioned us for cooked meat. "

 

Ummm, okay....where are these clear facts? xD I have never heard of such a thing till now.

 

I think people just say things and then decide they are geniuses for their stellar skills to explain things they know absolutely nothing about. 


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Yeah, it's crazy to me how much your perception changes when you start learning about all the vegan food out there. I used to look at the huge produce aisle at the grocery store and just see salad and maybe some apples, now I realize there are literally thousands of meals (both raw and cooked) you can make from all that. Curries, stir fries, soups! Roast them, bake them, boil them! Endless possibilities and that's only one section of the store drool.gif
When I was a kid all I ate was meat and potatoes and candy, of course I didn't realize vegans had varied diets, my own diet sucked! laugh.gif

Exactly, when your whole world is built around meat and potatoes, the idea of going vegan can seem frightening to say he least.

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I have a co-worker who does not eat any veggies or fruits. Well, he did tell me that he eats lettuce about twice a year. Most days for lunch he gets chicken fingers and fries. I don't know how he's  alive! 

It'll catch him sooner or later
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I sometimes still get comments from my family when I eat boca meat or something. They say "I don't understand why you would eat this fake stuff, when you could just have the real thing."

 

*___* Everyone in my family knows why I'm vegan, it's pretty clear; for the animals. So I don't understand where the pieces are not fitting (either that or they are still in denial). I can still enjoy the taste and texture of meat (right now I'm eating green beans though haha) without harming or needlessly killing animals. sheep.gif  thinking.gif

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I sometimes still get comments from my family when I eat boca meat or something. They say "I don't understand why you would eat this fake stuff, when you could just have the real thing."

 

*___* Everyone in my family knows why I'm vegan, it's pretty clear; for the animals. So I don't understand where the pieces are not fitting (either that or they are still in denial). I can still enjoy the taste and texture of meat (right now I'm eating green beans though haha) without harming or needlessly killing animals. sheep.gif  thinking.gif

 

Why would you eat that real stuff, when this fake stuff is so good?

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Why would you eat that real stuff, when this fake stuff is so good?


LOL it is fairly good, but even if it wasn't that great, I'd still eat it for my animal friends. LOL but I can see that being a witty comeback xD


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Did anyone else hear this on the Radio? I cannot believe my ears.
 

Rightsize smoothie's ad said, "And if you ever need to lose more weight, you can just eat more smoothies!" 

 

*_____*  Something just doesn't seem quite right...


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Rightsize smoothie's ad said, "And if you ever need to lose more weight, you can just eat more smoothies!" 

 

Seems legit (sarcasm)

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A family member (who is all about the meat and potatoes):

 

FM: No, that's wrong. Why are you saying that humans are biologically supposed to be herbivores?

 

Me: Erm, because we are. Research shows that both our teeth and intestines are unsuitable for meat consumption.

 

FM: But if that was true we wouldn't have eaten meat for thousands of years!

 

Me: Just because we do something for a long time, doesn't mean it's right. 

 

FM: I'm tired of this discussion, just use some common sense! Humans eat meat. It's the way it is!

 

 

Okay, so my argument included research and a counter-point to his argument. His argument included....IT'S THE WAY IT IS. 

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I just saw an ad for Hellman's mayonnaise that claimed Hellman's is made with "real" ingredients, including "cage-free eggs".  Cage-free eggs?  I hope they meant that the chickens are cage-free, because it really doesn't matter much to an egg. rolleyes.gif

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I have a co-worker who does not eat any veggies or fruits. Well, he did tell me that he eats lettuce about twice a year. Most days for lunch he gets chicken fingers and fries. I don't know how he's  alive! 

I wonder if this coworker has had blood work recently. When I was an omni, I used to eat a lot of chicken fingers and fries. My stomach always hurt and I never felt good. Wonder why.... spew.gif

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Sorry to be OT, but what are chicken fingers? I'm guessing you guys are American?

 

Are these actual chicken fingers (I wouldn't put it past an omni! Hehe) or like chicken nuggets?

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Sorry to be OT, but what are chicken fingers? I'm guessing you guys are American?

Are these actual chicken fingers (I wouldn't put it past an omni! Hehe) or like chicken nuggets?


They're like chicken nuggets, but longer, thinner, and "of better quality" essentially.

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I went to dim sum when I was omni and a friend of a friend of mine did order chicken feet....blank.gif  Some people do eat them. (I did not partake...yeck)

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I went to dim sum when I was omni and a friend of a friend of mine did order chicken feet....blank.gif   Some people do eat them. (I did not partake...yeck)

I've seen chicken feet on sale before, also other gross stuff like cows tongue. SO DISGUSTING. It always amazes me the things people are willing to eat spew.gif

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I just got the classic, "It's population control!"

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(in response to the environmental risk of cows)

 

"I'm eating the cows, not sure what you are doing"

 

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"If you love animals so much, why are you eating all of their food? Do you realize that hundreds of thousands of cows are starving because you HAD to go vegetarian?"

 

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"It’s appalling that anyone would think that a diet based on a dubious morality would build a human infant. Children need protein."

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(in response to the environmental risk of cows)

"I'm eating the cows, not sure what you are doing"

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"If you love animals so much, why are you eating all of their food? Do you realize that hundreds of thousands of cows are starving because you HAD to go vegetarian?"

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"It’s appalling that anyone would think that a diet based on a dubious morality would build a human infant. Children need protein."

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The last comment annoys me the most. The first two are just people being dicks, the last one is super ignorant. So many people are still so misinformed about nutrition, it irritates me brood.gif

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