Yeah, there's a group here of engineer types that I was thinking about joining, but everything seems to be about barbeque, including their meetings. On the IRC channel, much of the talk was about meat, which I'm used to by now; after accidentally clicking on links to pictures of a 4-pig simultaneous roaster and such that they all seemed so fascinated by, I eventually just found other groups. Must have missed the classes on skewering sentient beings and wasting money in bad attempts to kill unknown poor people across the world, since there doesn't seem to be anything else in sight. I mentioned to one of the group leaders that I'd prefer to come on a night wo the barbeque if possible, but he seemed confused and not interested in talking. "Whole Pig Roast Don't Waste Money. Compare & Save. Whole Pig Roast shopping.yahoo.com" - thank you Ads by Google, you read my mind. Sorry for the downer post. Any engineers out there interested in workgroups?