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#151 Old 11-05-2015, 11:18 PM
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A close friend has looked awful ever since she went "veg". As a lifelong vegetarian myself, I did wonder when she announced she was not going to eat meat (under pressure from her spouse) because we have been friends since high school, and all she ever ate was meat --- often raw! Sometimes along with bread and cheese. My advice not really wanted, I guess. She lost weight, which pleases her, but her skin is grey. I don't know how it could be possible, but maybe some people are just meant to have a certain diet...

I tend to think it's because the person has no idea how to eat. If you can't eat beans or legumes, or nuts, and refuse to eat green vegetables regularly, if you won't stir some black strap molasses into your oatmeal or tea, and try different grains like quinoa...sure, you're going to be a terrible unhealthy vegetarian, and otherwise would be a fat unhealthy meat eater. The only difference is that malnourishment is more apparent than high cholesterol, heart disease, diabetes, pre-cancer and all of the other health problems omnivores are walking around with daily and hiding under chubby red cheeks instead of gray skin...you can be plump and malnourished from empty calories and lack of vegetables, etc.
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#152 Old 11-05-2015, 11:34 PM
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Hm, actually, I think being vegetarian has increased my hair, as well as my periods have going on ( and on and on and ) (I'm 55 now!) and I don't think they're going to stop.
I'm in my 30s and my periods instantly become much more manageable when I eat consistently strict vegan ...no breast pain during PMS, less bloating...then during, cramps exist but are much less severe. As an omni I sometimes had cramps so bad I felt sick for two days, or would be doubled over in pain, at one point actually began to suspect endometriosis, because of pain that seemed stabbing and connected to my bowels. But that's not a problem at all eliminating meat and milk.


My mother seems to think it's the hormones in milk. She went off milk about ten years ago, and benign lumps in her breasts disappeared.
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Yes! A healthy person would have to eat really, really poorly for quite a while before feeling anything. It always gets me when they say "I tried going veg for a week and I got sick"! No, you didn't.
Yeah unless they were backed up from a prior lack of fiber and all the fiber made all the crap suddenly and painfully eliminate, which is not really being sick, it's more like your guts are full of rotten meat that's being swept out with a vengeance by beans and cabbage.

I never had that issue, but I'm sure that happens to people who were not getting adequate fiber as meat eaters.

The other possibility is that they were abusing alcohol and not taking a B12 supplement, because alcohol steals your B vitamins like a theif.

Then of course near starvation or excess of junk food because of being ignorant of what to eat.

That's the main reasons someone could feel sick within a week, and none are specifically tied to a vegetarian or vegan diet. Those are minor and easily correctable issues.

I know some annoying person who swears she couldn't be vegan because she was allergic to fruit and felt terrible. I guess she wasnt swift enough to figure out a balanced vegan diet isn't the same thing as "thirty bananas a day" or living off smoothies.

I frankly feel better. I feel so much better that when I stop dairy I ask myself why I went back on it. And the thought of eating eggs or meat are actually what make me feel sick to my stomach.

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I'm in my 30s and my periods instantly become much more manageable when I eat consistently strict vegan ...no breast pain during PMS, less bloating...then during, cramps exist but are much less severe. As an omni I sometimes had cramps so bad I felt sick for two days, or would be doubled over in pain, at one point actually began to suspect endometriosis, because of pain that seemed stabbing and connected to my bowels. But that's not a problem at all eliminating meat and milk.


My mother seems to think it's the hormones in milk. She went off milk about ten years ago, and benign lumps in her breasts disappeared.
I'm always happy to hear stories like this!!! I had severe endometriosis for years and it was debilitating. I ended up having a total hysterectomy and lost both ovaries when I was 33 years old (ten years ago), and the health consequences from that have been extreme. I had not wanted to lose my ovaries and woke up from the surgery not expecting them to be gone. :/ Life became a whirlwind of hell for years trying to learn to adjust. If I could do it over, knowing what I know now, I would have gone vegan back then. I had a terrible intolerance to dairy products and they contributed to and aggravated the pain and inflammation of my endometriosis. I already avoided dairy for years. I suspect that the eggs and meat I was consuming also contributed to increased inflammation and pain. There is a growing body of studies that show that eating a plant based diet helps manage hormonal problems like endometriosis. I wish I had paid attention more to that then instead of being talked into such an extreme measure of treatment. I did all the conventional treatments...lupron, birth control etc and all of them made me sick.

I CAN say that, having had hypothyroidism for 27 years, my average dose of Synthroid for many years was 112 mcgs. As a vegan my average dose over the last four years has been 100 mcgs, so I have needed less med to regulate my thyroid. I also look very young for my 43 years. In fact, I was at a laundromat talking to a few people one day, and they didn't know I was vegan, and the subject of diet came up. Someone mentioned about vegans and someone else chimed in that they all look so old and ill lol. So I came out and said I have been strict vegan for 4.5 years and I am 43 years old. That shut them up fairly quickly.
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I have no idea if this is the case with this casesam.co.uk particular woman, but without more info,www.casesam.co.uk it's hard to tell if it's a genetic issue or an implementation issue.

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My best friend was diagnosed with brain cancer 2 years ago. It was inoperable, as it was considered a cancerous lesion, as opposed to a tumor, and spread throughout his brain. He had been a vegetarian until his homeopathic doctor advised him going on an extremely strict ketogenic diet. He can eat no grains, no fruit except for 1/4 a cup of dark berries per day, and only certain vegetables. He has to avoid carrots, tomatoes, potatoes, certain kinds of squash, etc, for their higher sugar content. That leaves him a diet composed greatly of meats, oils, avocados, dairy, and dark greens. He opted to do just the dietary change, and forgo all but the first round of chemo, and his cancer went away. He is terrified of it coming back, and thusly has chosen this insanely strict diet. He does not enjoy eating meat, and has lost a ton of weight as a result of his no carb diet. He doesn't feel necessarily healthy, but he is cancer free. I worry about him so much, and feel really bad for him about his diet. There are all kinds of theories that go against this type of diet, but brain cancer is a different type of cancer. The cancer cells can live off of glucose alone, so that leaves little room for dietary choices. This is one example of why a very tiny percent of people may not be able to be vegetarian.
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A vegan ketogenic diet is possible, it would be weird and obscure but heck- thats what some people think all vegan diets are anyway.
In short a ketogenic diet is a form of mock-fasting. With no carbs around the body fears starvation and so it spares protein and makes brain food out of fat.
The irony in your friends case is that in scientific research ketogenic diets are mainly [knowingly] used as an inferior substitute for an absolute fast because of the assumption that eating nothing but meat would be far more 'acceptable' than safely abstaining from all food and everything but water for one to eight weeks as is done in a clinically monitored therapeutic fast. The research that laid the foundation for the initial intervention was a vegan one [whats more vegan than water].
Thats academic at this point tho because obviously a person cant live on a fast indefinitely, as somewhere from day 20 to 60 starvation sets in and the fast must end, but a radically low carb high fat vegan ketogenic diet could be formulated by an imaginative cook. Just a thought.
I wish your friend luck, thats an intimidating situation to be in for sure!
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I also look very young for my 43 years. In fact, I was at a laundromat talking to a few people one day, and they didn't know I was vegan, and the subject of diet came up. Someone mentioned about vegans and someone else chimed in that they all look so old and ill lol. So I came out and said I have been strict vegan for 4.5 years and I am 43 years old. That shut them up fairly quickly.
You look so young that I had forgotten you were 43! You look at least a decade younger than that.
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You look so young that I had forgotten you were 43! You look at least a decade younger than that.
Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
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Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
I was once mistaken for a young boy by a man sitting opposite me on a train. He kept asking me about school and calling me "buddy." I was a senior in high school and didn't realize his mistake until he caught sight of my painted nails and suddenly started stammering, "You know, when I say 'buddy,' I mean, I call everyone that, no offense...!" Then he asked me if I was dating anyone and it got creepy real fast.
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I was once mistaken for a young boy by a man sitting opposite me on a train. He kept asking me about school and calling me "buddy." I was a senior in high school and didn't realize his mistake until he caught sight of my painted nails and suddenly started stammering, "You know, when I say 'buddy,' I mean, I call everyone that, no offense...!" Then he asked me if I was dating anyone and it got creepy real fast.


The young boy thing happened to me too when I was at a wilderness seminar some years ago. The speaker chose me to come up front and help him demonstrate being small and adjusting a canoe so I could carry it (I was the smallest person in the room hence the reason he picked me). He addressed me as young man at first until coming closer and then he was really embarassed to realize I was a woman. Strangely, I found it more amusing than embarassing myself.
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Somebody I know says she would love to be vegetarian but can't because of intestinal damage she suffered in her childhood, which left her permanently unable to digest most vegetables. I hadn't brought up vegetarian eating; she had. By way of presenting herself as someone who cares about animals but must eat them.

It would not have been hard to point out that meat-eaters need vegetables as much as vegetarians do, and that whatever she's doing to supplement and make up for that micronutrient loss would continue to work if she went vegetarian. Easy to make the point but wouldn't have made a difference. She believes what she remembers her doctor saying, not anything I'd say. Plus I get the strong impression that she wants what she wants, plus she seems to be asking for credit for having the integrity and discipline she associates with vegetarianism. To me that's the most annoying part of hearing why someone "can't be vegetarian." The good part is that vegetarianism seems to be associated with integrity and discipline in the minds of many omnivores. Yay???
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Aw, thanks! I have always looked young for my age, and being vegan has not changed that. I used to hate looking so young when I was in my twenties and early thirties (though I still refused to wear makeup). I was asked once at an airport when I was 23 years old and traveling alone if I needed an escort on the plane. They thought I was like 12 lol. Now I am ever grateful for still looking young at my age.
Though people have made patronizing remarks to me because looking young apparently comes along with not looking as "wise". sighs.
Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
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Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
Just think though, in another twenty years when everyone else is aging and wishing they looked younger you can rub it in their faces. I get your frustration though!
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Lol I agree its so annoying. I am in my twenties (25) now and I really hate when people think I'm younger. Someone recently just asked me if I was 14 and it was so embarrassing, I was in Seaside Heights and almost got my ID snapped when I tried to get into a bar. And I had a 20 year old ask me what High School I go too. Its so ANNOYING. My boyfriend is a year older than me and never gets carded or anything. I hate too when adults talk to me like I am a "stupid" teenager. Unfortunately I am also really short like 4'10-4'11 so that doesn't help
You do look awfully young in your avatar picture...
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Just think though, in another twenty years when everyone else is aging and wishing they looked younger you can rub it in their faces. I get your frustration though!
I hope so :P It is just annoying being talked down too all the time lol


Haha @silva that's because anime characters never age past fourteen :P jk
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