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post #31 of 150
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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

The last two posts are a bit narky



darn narky vegans
post #32 of 150
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Originally Posted by froggythefrog View Post

Don't you think talking to us on the Internet, using a machine that quite likely has animal products in its makeup is sending mixed messages to us?



Yup and the tires on your car and the film in your camera...
post #33 of 150
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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

What does "narky" mean? I couldn't find it from the dictionary.



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narky



adjective Brit. informal irritable.



http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/narky?view=uk



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narky Show phonetics

adjective UK SLANG OLD-FASHIONED

easily annoyed:

You were a bit narky with me this morning.



(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)



http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...2923&dict=CALD
post #34 of 150
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Originally Posted by Nonna View Post

Yup and the tires on your car and the film in your camera...



Wow. This seems a lot like an omni trying to "catch" a vegetarian. You know, how everyone says, "Don't listen to that kinda' talk, because they are justing being defensive and talking out of guilt".
post #35 of 150
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Originally Posted by social_moth View Post

Wow. This seems a lot like an omni trying to "catch" a vegetarian. You know, how everyone says, "Don't listen to that kinda' talk, because they are justing being defensive and talking out of guilt".

While I think your post is somewhat narky, I agree with you.



And I think there is a qualitative difference between using dairy and eggs on the one hand, and driving a car or owning a computer on the other.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #36 of 150
I'm just surprised the non-Brit's in this thread managed to get through life without the word "narky".



It does sound like a game of catch-the-vegan to me. Eggs and dairy can be easily removed from one's lifestyle, the same cannot be said what minimal animal products in your tires, if any. And it also brings us back to the idea that to eat meat and not eggs/dairy would be less cruel than the other way around - is it less cruel to not eat eggs and dairy, or to advoid traces of products which probably have no impact on the market in the first place.
post #37 of 150
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Originally Posted by social_moth View Post

Wow. This seems a lot like an omni trying to "catch" a vegetarian. You know, how everyone says, "Don't listen to that kinda' talk, because they are justing being defensive and talking out of guilt".



My point was that none of us are without exploiting animals. The common message is that we're trying to reduce this exploitation, but if you want to go with Diana's idea of not sending mixed messages, you'd better be... exploitation free!
post #38 of 150
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Originally Posted by Shantih View Post

Eggs and dairy can be easily removed from one's lifestyle, the same cannot be said what minimal animal products in your tires, if any.

This is probably true too, but for me the most relevant point is that eating or wearing animal products represents the commodification of animals in a much more obvious, politically significant way than being in contact with something that may have been associated with suffering at some point during production.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #39 of 150
People who throw things like computers and car tires up to vegans constantly get on my nerves. Veganism cannot be perfect in our society, but pursuing a lifestyle of the least harm done as far as is practical and possible can be done. Geez. No one can walk or drive and not kill insects now and then. These petty barbs are completely beside the main point, and amounts to a rather foolish (and immature) argument, honestly....



Vegans who are not also humanitarians are hypocrites. Humans deserve compassion and concern every bit as much as animals do. We are animals, for God's sake....creatures who are definitely in dire need of "rescue."



I think vegans can be crappy, but so can omnis and vegetarians.

It's a people problem, not a label issue.
post #40 of 150
Which wasn't my point at all...
post #41 of 150
Oh, and before anyone gets mad - I should add a great big "in my humble but strong opinion" to cover my previous post. This argument always hits a nerve with me, though.
post #42 of 150
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Originally Posted by froggythefrog View Post

Which wasn't my point at all...

Ok, this post is definitely on the far righthand side of the narkiness scale.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #43 of 150
It didn't take being vegan to make me narky!
post #44 of 150
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Originally Posted by froggythefrog View Post

My point was that none of us are without exploiting animals. The common message is that we're trying to reduce this exploitation, but if you want to go with Diana's idea of not sending mixed messages, you'd better be... exploitation free!



This is what I'm talking about...Not trying to nasty at all, just saying no matter how hard we try sometimes they sneak animal ingredients where you would NEVER dream they would be....I try not to put anyone down for their beliefs..
post #45 of 150
Would vegetarians be happy to walk in a parade with pescatarians holding a sign that says "no blood on our hands!"? Or would they feel that they were sending a mixed message?







Lacto-ovo vegetarians are to vegans what pescatarians are to lacto-ovo vegetarians, and flexitarians are to pescatarians.

On the same path, but with different ideals.
post #46 of 150
Gosh, if it's so horrible to be around lacto-ovo vegetarians, imagine the mental anguish of being a vegan on VB. It must be positively miserable.



I'm pretty sure there are other posters/banners/signs to wave during marches that don't say anything about blood and veg*ns' hands.



If you want to organize an event for vegans, excluding l/os, go for it. But if you didn't plan it, if you're not the one picking the main message of the event, and you don't like what goes on there, perhaps you should consider not going as a statement.
"They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say '$#!±, it's raining!'"  Ruby, in "Cold Mountain"
"They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say '$#!±, it's raining!'"  Ruby, in "Cold Mountain"
post #47 of 150
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Originally Posted by skylark View Post

Gosh, if it's so horrible to be around lacto-ovo vegetarians, imagine the mental anguish of being a vegan on VB. It must be positively miserable.



I'm pretty sure there are other posters/banners/signs to wave during marches that don't say anything about blood and veg*ns' hands.



If you want to organize an event for vegans, excluding l/os, go for it. But if you didn't plan it, if you're not the one picking the main message of the event, and you don't like what goes on there, perhaps you should consider not going as a statement.



It can be like highschool, and we can have the cool vegan kids table, and we can be all, "Like, na-uh, Skylark, you are, like, such a total LA-WHO-ZER. Like, totally serious, like, ya' know. Omigod, we are, like, so totally gonna go buy some non-leather, free-trade, non-sweat shop pants, and you are like, SO totally not invited. Like, for real."



I understand Diana's argument that vegetarians "take an active part in the exploitation of killing of animals", it doesn't really bother me on an emotional level. I pretty much think all humans are trash, so there really isn't much of a point of deciding who's worse. On an intellectual level, it would bother me if vegetarians were claiming that their "hands were clean", so to speak.



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My point was that none of us are without exploiting animals. The common message is that we're trying to reduce this exploitation, but if you want to go with Diana's idea of not sending mixed messages, you'd better be... exploitation free!



So then, as someone said, it's okay for pescetarians to claim that they take no part in the suffering of animals?
post #48 of 150
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Originally Posted by social_moth View Post

I pretty much think all humans are trash,

But there's one exception, right?

<--



"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #49 of 150
No, you're rubbage, SS. There's a difference.
"They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say '$#!±, it's raining!'"  Ruby, in "Cold Mountain"
"They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say '$#!±, it's raining!'"  Ruby, in "Cold Mountain"
post #50 of 150
Rubbage, and proud of it!

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #51 of 150
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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

Rubbage, and proud of it!



OH! So you think your better than us trash folk cause your rubbage? Shouldn't we all be working towards the same garbage goal?
post #52 of 150
Fish are animals. Pesces choose to use their bodies for food, which is unnecessary because they could get their omegas and protein quite easily from other sources. I'm not condemning them for eating whatever the heck they want, but that fish are animals and that they are unnecessary in the human diet is an undeniable fact.



My computer, even if it has some weird animal part inside somewhere, is somewhat necessary for me to live in today's world and communicate/learn/etc. There IS no other vegan option right now to the pc.

The fact that I'm vegan simply means that if and when there is an animal-free pc available, I'd buy it instead (if I could afford it.)
post #53 of 150
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Originally Posted by Music Girl View Post

There IS no other vegan option right now to the pc.

Maybe not now, but I've been designing a series of hemp PCs for some time. Check out your local health food stores in October and they may already be available.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #54 of 150
Awesome.

Does that mean I can smoke it, too?

If I get bored of the internets?
post #55 of 150
Yes, and you can eat parts of it too. But the 'SS Creative PC Solutions' company doesn't guarantee full functionality after that.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #56 of 150
Will it be Mac compatible?
post #57 of 150
No, we use the seitan models for that.

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

post #58 of 150
Maybe after I eat it all up (slathered with vegenaise, of course) it'll work from inside of me and then I'll have internet access all the time in my own brain! Wheeee! I can't wait till October. And since I work at a Health Food Store, I'll get a discount!
post #59 of 150
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Originally Posted by sleepydvdr View Post

I can agree that consuming animal products is exploiting them. It is sad, but a fact of life. Humans have done this since the beginning of time. Things are getting better, but it is a VERY slow process.



According to Wonder's calculator of how many animals I saved since I went veg (http://wonder.sitehacks.com/animalssaved.php), I saved:



1.0273 cows

225.52 chickens

2.5058 pigs

7.5174 turkeys

0.6013 ducks

425.98 fish



Cool calculator, Wonder!



I sincerely doubt you're saving very many cows or chickens. Most of the fast food hamburgers in the US are made from slaughtered dairy cows - who are usually killed at around the age of 6 years old when they no longer produce the optimum volume of milk. The same goes for the egg-laying chickens. They show up in the food chain too, after living a life of pure misery. These are facts, not opinions. Everyone who claims to be a vegetarian "for the animals" needs to justify this to themselves.



I appreciate having Diana's wisdom and commitment on VB. She's often a voice for what I would like to say but don't have the nerve or the stomach for the "discussion" that usually follows . The hard-core vegans here on VB have converted many - me being one.
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post #60 of 150
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Originally Posted by Sevenseas View Post

What does "narky" mean? I couldn't find it from the dictionary.



Get a better dictionary, cobber!

It's in the OED:



narky - adjective (narkier, narkiest) British informal - irritable.



Australians tend to use 'cranky.'
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