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Feel sick after eating meat, what should I do?

post #1 of 25
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I feel sick after accidently consuming meat at a chinese restraunt last night. Or, at least I think I ate meat. I ordered off of the vegetarian portion of the menu, but forgot to ask if they used chicken stock (which is commonly used on "vegetarian" items at chinese restraunts). I was really bloated and sick feeling last night, not to mention feeling bad for the chicken I ate. I was so dizzy last night that I could barely find the bathroom. I know the symptoms of a food born illness, and it's not that, I know it was animal product of some sort.



I know this is probally posted elsewhere, but I'm laying down looking at the computer screen sideways and feeling really sick, so if you don't mind I'm just gonna ask it: how can I feel better?



I know from experiance that I can just wate it out, but I'm really wanting to get back to life, and not take a whole day off of school.



thanks!
post #2 of 25
Well, what are you feeling now? I've felt better when I had an upset stomach after having Tums. I'm surprised that you still feel this way from something that you had last night, that's unusual.
post #3 of 25
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Elana: I havn't eaten meat in 3 years, 3 months and 4 days. I've heard of people accidently eating meat after being veg for just 2 months and getting sick! I don't have any tums, but it would be worth buying if they'd make me feel better (are they tested on animals?)



I slept (or rather lied awake in bed trying to sleep) most of the pain off, but I'm still feeling sick.
post #4 of 25
do chinese reaturants use chicken stock for veggie food?? is that even legal? had no idea
post #5 of 25
Oh it's legal. I ordered Mao Po Bean Curd from a Chinese place the other day (a vegetarian item on their menu) and during the questioning period, found out that it comes with pork. So I had to specifically state that I didn't want any pork, pork fat, pork broth, no meat in any form, etc. Vegetarian, for most restaurants, just means that there are no meat chunks in there. In some places, fish dishes are listed under vegetarian. Unless you're in a vegetarian or vegan restaurant, you should always ask.



Jennifer, I don't think they are, but I'm just going on memory here. Have you been having diarrhea? It sounds like you had something bad anyway, whether it was meat or just food that wasn't stored/cooked properly.
post #6 of 25
Shoot, they do test: http://www.justiceforanimals.co.za/c..._shopping.html



However, there's a list there for cruelty-free items.
post #7 of 25
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According to PCRM, all otc medications are tested on animals, as required by US law. . To that degree, I guess it dosn't really matter what I buy as far as otc drugs go, so I might as well by tums. I feel like a bad vegan doing that though.



Please tell me that PCRM is wrong!?
post #8 of 25
Yeah...I went to a pizza place over the weekend. the Tuna Melt was marked vegetarian and when I inquired into their pizza sauce on their "vegetarian" pizzas, found out it is flavored with meat...my face fell, and then the waitress starts into "Oh, but you can't really taste it...there aren't meat chunks in there..."



Thanks, but no thanks, I had a pizza with olive oil and garlic and mixed veggies.
post #9 of 25
your symptomes could be from the msg
post #10 of 25
Ugh. Yeah, I can't tell you how many times the broth used in things is completely overlooked and called "vegetarian." I was at a Chinese restaurant recently and was so excited they had "vegetarian" Hot & Sour Soup.



Me: So the broth is vegetable broth.



Waitress: No, chicken broth.



Me: Um, you do realize that it's not vegetarian then?



Waitress: No, there's no pork in it.



It probably had egg in it too, but I obviously didn't pursue it further.



You always have to ask "Does it have any animal products in it? Any chicken or beef stock/broth, fish sauce, etc?" They have no clue what vegan or vegetarian means.
post #11 of 25
..play a little game with your throat and see how far your fingers will go down...at some point you will remove bad toxins from your stomach.



but generally this is better just after you notice..
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Taunton ARA View Post

..play a little game with your throat and see how far your fingers will go down...at some point you will remove bad toxins from your stomach.



but generally this is better just after you notice..



eeee-www.



This thread reminds me of Ron White, anyone see that comedy special? He was talking about his friend who is a vegetarian, who felt sick after they ate lunch and said that the soup must have had beef broth in it...



Ron said, "So let me get this straight. Your system is kicking back....BROTH? Ooh, you're a manly man!"



I just thought that was funny...what exactly about meat would make you sick? I understand what would do it on a psychological basis..but broth in particular, I don't understand why a vegetarian would get sick from eating it.
post #13 of 25
If you haven't consumed animals for years (for never have) then meat will commonly make people ill. I know numerous parents who have eaten something by mistake (even tried eating meat again) but have failed because it has caused them to fill ill...even when not considering the ethics (so not phychological).



Then again this can also happen with eggs, even diary.



Probably something to do with this; http://a995.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...43a7aafb6a.jpg
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by veg*nrunner View Post

your symptomes could be from the msg



This is exactly what I was thinking. My sister told me last week she had the exact same symptoms after her last meal a few years back at a Chinese restaruant, and ever since that happened, she's been turned off by Chinese cuisine (and she is very much a meat eater).
post #15 of 25
Once I accidently bit into a meat samosa - I spent the following 7 mins bent over the toilet with my finger deep down my throat. And, yes, I felt better afterwards. Morale of the story: ALWAYS READ THE LABEL BEFORE YOU BITE INTO A BLOODY SAMOSA!!!!!!!!
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post #16 of 25
My understanding is that there are different enzymes involved in breaking down animal products than in breaking down plant products. If you do not eat animal products (whether meat, dairy, eggs), your body drastically reduces or even stops making (or at least has no intake of) those enzymes, so it will make you feel sick if you then eat animal products. I've had a couple of experiences where I only found out after I started feeling sick (so not psychological since I didn't know) that I had eaten an animal product--once was chicken broth and once was cheese.
post #17 of 25
Different enzymes (lactase being an exception...)? How so? A peptide bond in any given protein is a peptide bond. Your proteases don't care where they came from. If anything, I'd wager it's to do with consuming more sat fats and/or protein than usual at once.



As for the OPs question: Ginger.
post #18 of 25
This is from a dental site (talking about plaque, but still relevant):

Plant enzymes are needed to digest plant foods and proteolytic enzymes are needed to digest meat and milk products.



I have read it elsewhere and in more detail, so I'll try to find the original more thorough source. However, the amount and type of enzymes needed, as well as the combination of other nutrients and whether the environ is acid/base (i admit it's not JUST the enzymes), are apparently different for animal products as opposed to plant products. I'm sure there is some "cross-over" of certain enzymes (used in breaking down either), but that is part of the reason that meat is not as easily digested as plant products...because our digestive juices are more appropriate for eating plant products whether or not we normally eat meat. (Our saliva, for example, has more enzymes to break down carbohydrates in comparison to a cat's saliva.) However, if you have not eaten those products in some time, that could change not only the amount of some enzymes you have in your system (which your body does make some enzymes), but also whether you have the other nutrients/chemicals needed to break down animal products.
post #19 of 25
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Plant enzymes are needed to digest plant foods and proteolytic enzymes are needed to digest meat and milk products.

That's an oversimplification that probably refers to carbohydrates versus proteins. Granted, plants tend to have more of the former, but where they do contain proteins, they're broken down by the same proteases.



Excuse the nitpicking
post #20 of 25
I admitted that isn't the whole story...I edited my previous post to be more precise.



I don't claim to be a biochemical expert either, but I do know that after not eating animal products for some time, it can make you feel quite ill (from personal experience)--whether I know the scientific cause or not
post #21 of 25
No worries, the oversimplification bit referred to the quote you provided, not your actual post
post #22 of 25
I agree that a very, very good deal of vegetarians getting sick from eating meat, is psychological. You suspect there is meat in it, you eat it anyway, and you feel sick afterwards.



If you do get ill from it, its more likely from grease or something else. i'm not a huge fan of the theory that vegetarians get sick from meat. I know lifelong vegetarians that give it up and eat burgers right away. I know others who slowly have to reintroduce it, but eventually are fine. As far as I know, a peptide breaking enzyme doesn't care where that protein comes from.
post #23 of 25
Why don't you call the restaurant and ask specifically if they use chicken stock in whatever dish you ate. If you haven't eaten meat, then you can eliminate that as a cause. It could very well be any number of things that made you ill including MSG, or just the fact that chinese food often contains a LOT of oil!



I have friends who were vegetarians for much longer than you've been who decided on a whim to eat meat (not just a little bit.. things like a ruben, a roast beef sandwich, spare ribs) and felt perfectly fine.
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post #24 of 25
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Well, I'm feeling better now. I did eventually go back to school that day... after eating a luna bar (I don't know if this helped or not, but I figured it couldn't hurt and my body could probally use the extra boost). I was feeling a little dizzy for most of the day, and a little crampy, but good enough!



As for veg*ns getting sick: I think this is different for everyone. I know some people who arn't bothered by it (I was at a vegetarian society meeting the other day, and someone asked if one of the desserts was vegan, the watter said yes, but it actually contained eggs! After asking once more to double check after the food was deliverd, and finding that it contained eggs, a few vegans decided to eat it any way (rather then wast the food); one person who didn't eat it said that he chose not to b/c he would get really sick, a few people agreed with him and others said that they would be fine). Another example of this is the fact that the stock/broth made me sick, though not as badly as I had expected. On the other hand, milk makes me extremely sick (partly because I'm lactose intolerant), but much more sick then lactose use to make me when I drank milk on a daily basis. On the other hand, eggs don't do anything to me. So I think it's just different for different bodies. And different ingrediants bother different veg*ns more/less then others.



I know that it is sometimes a phsycological (spelling?) thing. But this was worse then that...



*sigh* I had to scrub chicken off of sheet pans in culinary arts today. I felt sooo bad doing it; much worse then I usually did. I was trying not to cry as I scrubed it down and scraped off the meat and grease. I made it through the class, but still... and then someone today was like "I smell chicken" while I was around, and i was like "Oh great, that's probally me"... I love that class, but I just had a hard time in it today with the whole chicken thing. Oh well, tommorow will be better.
post #25 of 25
Fish stock is more commonly used in Asian cooking than chicken stock. Just an FYI in case anyone is ever out and asks..make sure you are specific because most common people don't think of fish as animals.
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