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post #1 of 29
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I need help:



I have been vegan for almost five months now and have never in my life had a cold sore. But for the past six weeks, I have had recurring outbreaks on my lip and what's worse is that my eyes are now affected too (I guess the virus can "walk" down the nerve to the mouth or the eye).



Based on the nutrition info I've read, my vegan diet is very high in arginine and low in lysine (the opposite of what is recommended to control the virus). I know I can take supplements, but how much and for how long? Lysine is known to raise cholesterol levels (no wonder it's so widely found in animal produts!).



Does anyone have any experience with this?
post #2 of 29
Go to a doctor. the veganism may have nothing to do w/ it; my sister, for example, went through almost a decade of reoccuring cold sores...then they disappeared as quickly as they came. When she had them, there wasn't the same treatments as today.



In the meantime, try to eat a balanced diet. Look after yourself, reduce stress by exercising whenever possible, etc.
post #3 of 29
Get some abreva...that might help some.
post #4 of 29
Herpes simplex = a virus. Not often gotten from diet, too, if I recall correctly.
post #5 of 29
Yeah, it's a virus, however it is one that hides itself... it's DNA just kind of blends in for a while and then when the right conditions happen, pop, there it is making you a nice cold sore... I don't think it really has to do with diet but who am I to say it's impossible. I do know that stress can cause it to show up.
post #6 of 29
These last two posts are generally correct. Perhaps some stress on your body from such a shift caused the virus to act up. It's generally fairly dormant. Will probably go away soon.
post #7 of 29
are you sure it's cold sores and not cankers? i sometimes get cankers on the outside part of my lip, they dry out and look like cold sores in a day or two. cause that's an easy fix, just take B12



i would pick up one of those home remedies books though, my mom has one and i remember seeing lots of tips for cold sores (and cankers) in there. i think one was holding a hot teabag on the area but i forget what kind of tea. check it out though
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post #8 of 29
My sister and my mom both get cold sores almost monthly, abreva really helps.
post #9 of 29
i've never heard of amino-acid intake as a way of controlling a virus before, but in case you want to try, soy products, and other pulses are among the highest vegan foods in lysine. mushrooms also appear to contain plenty of lysine, and also watercress.



have a look at www.nutritiondata.com - it's a really nice resource. the Nutrition Search Tool lets you find the foods which are highest or lowest in varous nutrients
post #10 of 29
I had a horrid outbreak of cold sores in college. I actually got them from a sunburn in a round about way. I had never had one before, went on bc, got scorched from being photosensitive from the bc, must have caught the virus from my bf, and my lowered immune made me break out bad. All on the inside and outside of my mouth. Threw up for two weeks. The doctor gave me a tube of something for the outside of my mouth ones, but the inside ones I had to just be patient. Go see your doctor!!!! (But I have heard the lysine supps can help suppress future outbreaks!)
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions, Abreva has helped keep the ones in my lip from becoming full blisters, but not (so far) the prevention of new ones. I did see my primary care doctor who said Well I have heard about some people using Lysine supplements, but I dont know enough about them to give you any recommendations. At least she gave me a referral to an ophthalmologist.



Dr. S-. I know the cold sores are caused by a virus and not by being vegan and that 80% of the population already has the virus by the time they are 18. So I am sure it has been lying dormant for many years, but I have not had any symptoms ever in my life until I cut out dairy and eggs (not that Im willing to add them back in again).



I cant think of any new sources of stress, except of course, the itchiness and burning in my eyes.
post #12 of 29
If you're looking to suppliment Lysine, do 500 mg twice daily. If you have an active outbreak or you can feel one coming on (tingling and itching are tell-tale signs), up that to 1500mg twice a day.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks Jess B, I'll give it a try. Does it matter if you take it on an empty or full stomach?
post #14 of 29
So, as nasty as this sounds, I've found some relief from my cold sores (I recently broke out in a nasty rash of like, 6 or so!) by this home remedy I read online. Brace yourself. Dip a Q-tip in fingernail polish remover and apply directly to the mass of blisters (NOT in your mouth. NOT in your mouth. NOT in....). It will sting like high heaven, but I tried it, and amazingly, I could see the sore shrink ever so slightly. I repeated it throughout the evening and as of now, it's about 50% better. You run the risk of burning sensitive skin, though - big time. I was desperate (like I said, I had 6 or so - in different locations on my lips!) I can't imagine what triggered the outbreak - but hopefully it will be gone soon. I also read the above posts and got some Lysine supplements as well. Herpecin (don't you love the name) has Lysine in it, I saw, so I bought that to use on the side. Best of luck with it all.
post #15 of 29
I have a great herbal cure all. It's as easy as adding Lysine to your diet. Supplement with 500 mg a day for about a month--and if you feel one coming on, take a double dose for four days. It really works. For me, I get cancker sores and cold sores when my hormones shift--which is often due to young surgical menopause. My best friend is a doc and swears by it too!
post #16 of 29
I don't get cold sores, but do get canker sore once or twice a year. I just take lysince and tons of echinacea. I put the echinacea on the canker sore and it helps. also tetrachycline (sp?). That you need a perscription for but it does wonders.
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by antelope224 View Post

I need help:



I have been vegan for almost five months now and have never in my life had a cold sore. But for the past six weeks, I have had recurring outbreaks on my lip and what's worse is that my eyes are now affected too (I guess the virus can "walk" down the nerve to the mouth or the eye).



Based on the nutrition info I've read, my vegan diet is very high in arginine and low in lysine (the opposite of what is recommended to control the virus). I know I can take supplements, but how much and for how long? Lysine is known to raise cholesterol levels (no wonder it's so widely found in animal produts!).



Does anyone have any experience with this?



No, I don't not think lysine raises cholesterol. I have a health book that talks about the relationship between arginine and coldsores. Arginine makes the virus come out while lysine kills and prevents the virus. I know that you shouldn't take lysine for more then six months but overally I'm quite sure that it doesn't raise cholesterol. if you have a otbreak you should take lysine along with vitamin C. You should also take a supplement called Beta-glucan (it is an extract from the mushroom maitake) which is a powerful immune booster that kills viruses ( it even kills tumor cells) such as this one. Foods high in arginine include wheat, carob, oats, meat. You should also look at your overall diet and make sure you are including plenty of raw foods daily.
post #18 of 29
Another good herbal Antiviral is Lemongrass. you can take it as a tea, or get the concentrated oil or cream and put it on just like Abreva if you are lookign for a more herbal option. You may want to research this herb on the net. http://www.allnatural.net/herbpages/lemon-balm.shtml.



Herpes is in you just dormant, so if you are getting outbreaks it is probably something in your diet or a stressor is triggering it.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by meganxena View Post

So, as nasty as this sounds, I've found some relief from my cold sores (I recently broke out in a nasty rash of like, 6 or so!) by this home remedy I read online. Brace yourself. Dip a Q-tip in fingernail polish remover and apply directly to the mass of blisters (NOT in your mouth. NOT in your mouth. NOT in....). It will sting like high heaven, but I tried it, and amazingly, I could see the sore shrink ever so slightly. I repeated it throughout the evening and as of now, it's about 50% better. You run the risk of burning sensitive skin, though - big time. I was desperate (like I said, I had 6 or so - in different locations on my lips!) I can't imagine what triggered the outbreak - but hopefully it will be gone soon. I also read the above posts and got some Lysine supplements as well. Herpecin (don't you love the name) has Lysine in it, I saw, so I bought that to use on the side. Best of luck with it all.





I have to say I gasped aloud when I read this. It doesn't sound nasty, it sounds dangerous. Nail polish remover is SOOOO toxic, even when applied just to the nails that to put it on an open sore, well the thought is inconceivable to me. OUCH! SCARY! I won't even allow my daughter to use it on her nails...



How did you even think of doing this? Please don't tell me your Doctor suggested this?
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post #20 of 29
so youve been to a doctor and they told you this was a herpes virus, but did they check out your eyes? ive never heard you could get cold sores in your eyes before but i know you can get genital warts there and your nose.



when i had chicken pox as a kid i had them all over including the edges of my eyes.



anyhow, if you havent had your eyes looked at you should. go to the urgent care center right away. this sounds really bad. i would hate to hear you lost your vision because of this.

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post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by bizarro View Post

so youve been to a doctor and they told you this was a herpes virus, but did they check out your eyes? ive never heard you could get cold sores in your eyes before but i know you can get genital warts there and your nose.



when i had chicken pox as a kid i had them all over including the edges of my eyes.



anyhow, if you havent had your eyes looked at you should. go to the urgent care center right away. this sounds really bad. i would hate to hear you lost your vision because of this.





yep, you can get occular herpes. Though usually because you touched your eye after touching your lip or whatever. It is all the herpes virus. Chicken Pox and Shingles are the same deal, just another strain of the Herpes Zoster Virus.
post #22 of 29
I used to get a 'cold sore' thing next to my eye once every year or two. Once it got quite close to my eye, and I had to see a specialist because there was a chance that it could spread to the eye. I did a lot of research and figured out that taking antiviral medication (herbal may work too, didn't try that) within the first 48 hours of noticing symptoms will help, but there's not much you can do after that. Ideally, you should take antivirals when you first feel the 'tingling' sensation and you can sense it coming on.



My brilliant doctor, in his infinite wisdom, knew that the pills do nothing after the first 48 hours, and prescribed them anyway. So I just kept them for the next time I felt it coming on, and it worked! It started to come back a couple of times, and I took a couple of pills, and it went away quickly!



It hasn't come back in the past 3 years or so.
post #23 of 29

I've had cold sores my entire life.  Not only do I get cold sores, but I get them bad.  80% of the world population has them, and of that 80%, only 20% get reoccurring breakouts.  Of that 20% of the 80% even less (like 5-10% I believe) get really bad reocurring break outs.  Yay me!  Anyway, about 3 years ago I switched from what I thought was a healthy diet to the Paleo diet.  From there, I noticed that not only did the frequency of my breakouts decrease, but also the severity.  I just recently became a vegetarian (I know, drastic change from Paleo), and was trying to do some research on cold sores and vegetarianism when I came across this thread.  Although I'm no doctor by any means, I have done a plethora of research on this topic due to my condition and the severity of my reoccurring breakouts.  I was also a massage therapist for over 5 years (just so you know that I have a holistic background). There are quite a few things that other people said that are true, which include:

 

  • You need more lysine as opposed to arginine
  • The ****ake mushroom is a great antibacterial/fungal holistic remedy that helps with cold sores
  • Lemon grass (oil or supplement) is good for cold sores
  • Sunburn, stress, lack of sleep, and unhealthy eating habits (including alcohol and coffee consumption) aren't good for someone who gets cold sores
  • Herpes is a virus, which means it can't be cured; it's in your DNA, however yes, it does lie dormant in your stem cells until it's triggered due to a plethora of factors

 

Other things that weren't mentioned that you should know about cold sores:

  • Diet is super important.  Just because you're vegan, doesn't mean you're eating healthy.  (For the most part), avoid gluten, added sugars (outside of fruit), coffee, starches, DAIRY, and chocolate (especially avoid coffee and chocolate when you're having a breakout
  • Grapes have a component called reverstol (I believe that's how it's spelled), which is really good for cold sores (both preventative and when you have a breakout)
  • Wear an SPF in your chapstick/lip gloss (even when it's cloudy)--I once got a really bad outbreak after snowboarding (4 different spots on my lips with multiple "bubbles".  It was awful.  The entire left side of my mouth was swollen) because I was not only not wearing a chapstick with SPF but also because I wasn't wearing anything to protect my lips from the wind
  • Windburn can also be a trigger
  • Lemon Oil (found at Vitamin Cottage, Sprouts, etc.) can also help when you have an outbreak (just take a few drops and put it on a q-tip and apply directly to the sores)
  • Olive leaf (supplement form) is an antifungal which can help with cold sore outbreaks
  • Because cold sores are a virus which hides in your genetic DNA, not only can they not be cured, but this is also the reason why the appear in the same spot, every time (which refutes the possibility of it being a canker sore because canker sores go where ever and are not contagious)
  • Look into anything that is either antifungal or will help the immune system
  • Don't look for a quick fix, like abreva.  In my experience, Abreva didn't work (it still took damn near 2 weeks for my cold sores to heal), but it's also not treating the problem, just the symptoms.  If you want a real, lasting fix, work on your diet, exercise, and stress levels.  However, because I get them so badly, I did talk to my doctor about getting me pills to take whenever I feel an outbreak coming on.  They don't stop it from happening, but they do help them to go through the various stages more quickly. 
  • Wear chapstick like it's going out of style--seriously.  I put it on right before bed, when I wake up, after brushing my teeth, and still probably 2-4 times throughout the day.  Buy a good, natural kind, like one you'd find at Whole Foods, Vitamin Cottage, Sprouts, etc.  The less ingredients, the better. 

 

Well, I hope this helps, and I hope that you stop getting outbreaks!  One final things is that they typically decrease in not only severity but also frequency as you get older, so at least that's a plus of aging! 

 

Revel

post #24 of 29

I went 100% vegan in January and I did notice a bit of an outbreak of cold sores in my mouth. I had one on one side and then after it healed, I had one on the other. But I do get cold sores (especially during PMS) occasionally. It was strange to get one after the other on different sides of my mouth. 

 

I sort of chalked it up to the change in diet. Before that time, I was eating horribly. No meat, but lots of dairy and eggs and lots and lots of junk food (I was binging at that point about 2-3 days out of each week). So my guess is that suddenly moving to a much healthier dairy/egg-free diet was what caused it, since my body had to adjust.

 

Djuna

post #25 of 29
That's some good looking info there @Revel
post #26 of 29

One thing that seems to work for sores inside my mouth, which thankfully don't seem to happen to me much anymore, is to place Listerine strips right on them. Not sure why or how, but it seems to speed up the process of them disappearing.

post #27 of 29
Only immunocompromised individuals show signs.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19172691
post #28 of 29

Please do remember that herpes is contagious. One thing is that it is contagious in that it can infect others, but the other part of that is that you can infect yourself - in new places, such as your eyes. Herpes can be transferred to the eyes, nose (will generally give blisters around the edge of the nose), the mouth and your nether regions (through touching yourself, through kissing someone and them then going down on you or your partner having sores while in contact with you there, of course). Be diligent with hand washing after touching the wounds when they are open so you do not get it in any new places. If you experience severe outbreaks around your eyes it's best to see a doctor.

post #29 of 29

Interesting review, cobalamin, but the full text made no mention of Herpes simplex or cold sores :confused: 

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