Originally Posted by Patty J
For plain old sugar, I use Florida crystals, but my Mom's diabetic so I want to find alternatives she can eat. I don't like the after taste of Stevia. I was excited about agave at first, but I'm not so sure about it now. I just tried coconut sugar and it is sooo good! It unrefined and apparently safe for diabetics (even though it's mostly sucrose - hmmm.) You can get it in liquidy (like honey) or granular form. Of course, there are possible issues considering the already escalating demand for coconut products...
...but it's sooo good! Now that the sugar cane and pineapple businesses are basically defunct in Hawaii - would it be wrong to convert those fields to Coconut groves? My sweet tooth thinks that would be a splendid idea.
We don't have Florida crystals at my two fave local stores - odd since we live in sort of the same area of the USA. We have other good organic sugars though. I'm not a fan of coconut (don't like the flavor). Does the sugar have a coconut flavor because I know that soy coconut ice cream does - you know that brand? I can't remember the name, but it's with the other soy ice creams.
Interesting. Long, but interesting. It seems like that fella might find another job, with how much he seems to dislike what he's doing. That was the part that threw me. Unless I missed him saying that somewhere near the bottom where it got crazy long.
Originally Posted by RunnerVeggie
Yes - Whether you eat it or slather it all over yourself or use it to grease your bike chains, what is the difference? Most vegans will be quick to tell you that it is not just about what is ingested, unless you are only concerned about health. You have even posted about this issue in regard to your vegan friend with the cleaning products.
It seems that most of the vegans with such rigid definitions left due to the Huddler debacle, so perhaps things are changing.
I see. I thought you were saying that meat eaten doesn't have the same impact as other animal products. Got it now.
I've always been really good about cruelty-free, no leather, no cleaners tested on animals, no pearls and so fourth and extra good about not using chemicals. It's been hypocritical of me to keep on eating cheese and eggs all these years actually.
Rigid definitions are hard to deal with. I've been told by many vegetarians and a few vegans I've met that I shouldn't say I'm a vegetarian because I didn't quit eating meat for animal welfare. I quit due to taste, texture and other gross reasons I won't mention here, then found out about the environmental and health impacts, THEN finally years later the animal issues started clicking in me. As a teen I read Diet for a New America, and even then the animal issue didn't stick out to me as much as other issues.
I just don't think I grew up as an "animal person." Then I read something recently that said that research shows that most ex-vegetarians and ex-vegans who quit eating meat for reasons other than animal welfare, tended to go back to meat because of it. I don't know if that's true. However, having been a vegetarian and avoiding animal products for more of my life than not, I feel like I've unintentionally done quite a lot for animal welfare, no matter if I want to hug cows or not, so when a newer vegetarian gets on my case about animal welfare it really bugs me.
What's weird is that after 18 or so years of not eating meat, the animal issue does bother me now. Quite a lot actually. It literally just took someone here directing me to that movie Fowl Play to get me to quit eating eggs.
In any case, this is a rigid ideal I hate. If you don't eat meat, and/or dairy and eggs and avoid animal products, I don't think it matters so much why, but more that you do. Although, maybe that research I noted above is right - i.e. if you don't want to harm animals you're more likely to stick with non-meat eating.