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to me plus sized just means bigger than your average 34-24-34 model. 

To add to that, the fact that people are trying to get overweight recognized as the new "normal" sort of annoys me. Just because half the population is overweight doesn't mean thats something you should be satisfied with. 

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Originally Posted by Jorjor 

To add to that, the fact that people are trying to get overweight recognized as the new "normal" sort of annoys me. Just because half the population is overweight doesn't mean thats something you should be satisfied with. 

Yeah, I feel like it's been months since I read anything in the mainstream media about why you shouldn't be satisfied with being overweight 

I think women would be best off spending as little time as possible looking at advertising, pornography, or anything else that portrays the "ideal" woman in the eyes of advertisers or pervs.

I don't know much about what constitutes "plus size", but those women don't look "overweight" to me at all. Yeah, I'd say it sends a very counter-productive message.

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Originally Posted by dormouse 

Those women are not plus sized. They are thinner than I am, and I am not plus-sized. I can wear a size zero dress (US) if the cut is right.

Why is there even such a thing as 'size zero'? This seems fundamentally flawed...

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Originally Posted by Irizary 

I think women would be best off spending as little time as possible looking at advertising, pornography, or anything else that portrays the "ideal" woman in the eyes of advertisers or pervs.

You were doing so well until you linked pornography to being perverted.

That's a pretty broad brush.

Just FYI, those who seek to control sexuality tend to be those who seek to control women as well.

i hate the term "real women"

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Doesn't "plus sized" refer to any sizes that are above size zero? I thought it was a modeling term, not a general one

Yeah I pretty sure it started off as a modeling term.  In the modeling world I think plus size would be anyone over a US size 6. I'm pretty sure most models nowadays are anywhere from 2-4. 

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i hate the term "real women"

I can't find the nodding smilie but that's what I wanted to put here.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie 

I can't find the nodding smilie but that's what I wanted to put here.

You mean this 

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You were doing so well until you linked pornography to being perverted.

 

That's a pretty broad brush.

 

Just FYI, those who seek to control sexuality tend to be those who seek to control women as well.

"Controlling sexuality" and thinking pornography as it exists in the world today generally portrays negative messages about women are two different things.

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Originally Posted by Irizary 

"Controlling sexuality" and thinking pornography as it exists in the world today generally portrays negative messages about women are two different things.

Considering that pornography is everything from erotic novels to hardcore extreme porn, you're still using a pretty broad brush.

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Originally Posted by Irizary 

"Controlling sexuality" and thinking pornography as it exists in the world today generally portrays negative messages about women are two different things.

 

Considering that pornography is everything from erotic novels to hardcore extreme porn, you're still using a pretty broad brush.

Erotic novels are "erotica."  I think it's accurate to talk about pornography in pretty much the same way that it's accurate to talk about "the meat industry" in that it overwhelmingly falls into a certain type, despite the existence of a few so-called "humane farms" and a very small amount of pornography with more progressive ideals.

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Originally Posted by Irizary 

Erotic novels are "erotica."  I think it's accurate to talk about pornography in pretty much the same way that it's accurate to talk about "the meat industry" in that it overwhelmingly falls into a certain type, despite the existence of a few so-called "humane farms" and a very small amount of pornography with more progressive ideals.

Erotica is just highbrow porn, for those who don't want to admit to consuming porn.  

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Erotica is just highbrow porn, for those who don't want to admit to consuming porn.  

Indeed. Anyone who has ever picked up their granny's Harlequin Romance novel knows it's porn, plain and simple.

And the idea that all porn = degradation of 1980s-style bleach blondes with giant fake boobs is just plain wrong. A lot of it sucks, but porn is incredibly diverse (not to mention not all heterosexual) and is an interesting window into what turns people on. Perhaps you should check out the annual Feminist Porn Awards, Irizary.

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I just figure everyone will get fatter over time and the humans that can carry extra weight healthfully will be selected for. Besides, it's not like fat people have any trouble attracting mates in real life - there are tons of fat couples, with fat kids, wearing the upward-adjusted sizes that clothing companies market to our fat asses. "Overweight" is a nonsense term - there isn't any one metric to determine what an ideal/healthy weight is for everyone.

Advertisers, OTOH, will continue to present a disconnect between fantasy and reality, whether we like it or not. They'll do what is effective at selling, so women just need to quit responding to this type of marketing.

Plus size (in the United States at least) starts at 15/16. None of these women come close to that, but it doesn't surprise me that they're labeled so. Many plus sized models aren't. It's always nice to see more diversity in the media, but sometimes it's just done so wrongly. I remember seeing one ad that was supposedly celebrating different sizes and shapes... they all looked the same. This add is a little better... but not much. Honestly, I'm not sure what I think of it. I think regardless of what kind of women they were using in an ad I would have a problem with it, but that's mainly because I don't like the product they're selling and because of the nature of the product and their claims about it, and you can still see negatives if they're using regular models or actual plus sized women.

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Originally Posted by Jorjor 

to me plus sized just means bigger than your average 34-24-34 model. 

 

To add to that, the fact that people are trying to get overweight recognized as the new "normal" sort of annoys me. Just because half the population is overweight doesn't mean thats something you should be satisfied with. 

Well it is the new normal. Most women are between a size 12 to 16 (I don't remember the exact size) and I don't see why anyone shouldn't be satisfied with that. There is nothing wrong with being overweight.

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Originally Posted by Savvington 

 

Why is there even such a thing as 'size zero'? This seems fundamentally flawed...

Just wait until you learn there's a size 00.

Yeah, our sizing is ridiculous. It would be much better if we just went with measurements for sizes instead. No more second guessing because every single brand wants to either run too small or too big. Just get a measuring tape, figure out your waist in inches and voila! That's your size. Would be so much easier and would make more sense.