I find it ironic that Eugene's friends were dishonest because they didn't want to offend the Christians, and Eugene is conversely honest because he also doesn't want to offend the Christians, and meanwhile, I am Christian, and I don't give a damn about offending the other Christians. I mean, they tell me I'm not really saved because I'm not in the same denomination as them, and I just say, "You could not be more wrong."
Also, since you made comparison to veg*ns, we have this same problem, too, deliberate dishonesty aside. Different interpretations is what that * is all about, after all. I know you've argued that we shouldn't conceal concern for animal rights as a motive for veg*n advocacy, but a lot of people have emphasized health & environment anyway, and now there are a number of converts to plant-based diet out there who still support animal experiments and stuff. I've argued with several of those about whether they should call themselves vegans. But how can I get angry about that and yet stay friends with normal vegetarians? Right on these boards, it's a fairly common occurrence for someone to start a thread with "I have ___ situation, does that count as vegetarian?" And some member usually says, "Don't worry so much about labels, just do the right thing as best as you're able." So, yeah, this example is obviously bad --
Originally Posted by Eugene
... they really eat meat three times a day, and they told you they were vegan just because they thought it would help persuade you in supporting their cause. ...
-- but at the other extreme, I would say you're still vegan even if you can't yet find grain certified to have been harvested with no harm to any insect.
I'm just saying that even what you are supposed to believe, exactly, is not so black-and-white of a question in the big picture. Who decides?
“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me. Whoever is not against us is for us."
~ Mark 9:38-40