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Study Links Circumcision to Personality Trait Disorder

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The International Journal of Men’s Health has published the first study of its kind to look at the link between the early trauma of circumcision and the personality trait disorder alexithymia. The study, by Dan Bollinger and Robert S. Van Howe, M.D., M.S., FAAP, found that circumcised men are 60% more likely to suffer from alexithymia, the inability to process emotions.

http://intactnews.org/node/131/13167...trait-disorder

(to add: I'm aware it's a pro-noncircumsicion website, I still thought it was interesting.)
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I'm completely against circumcision in the West, however, it doesn't really make sense to me that one very brief event like that would cause lifelong trauma. I think on-going events and lack of support, or a stronger event are needed to cause that kind of disorder for "normal" kids.

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post #3 of 32
Gee, this really PISSES ME OFF!!!

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post #4 of 32
No memory of it. I do remember my first days wearing pants with zippers and not having that worked out too well yet. OUCH !
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Seems completely ridiculous to me, especially considering where the link came from.

I've become suspicious of a lot of so-called scientific "studies" anyway. I once read about a "study" done in which pregnant women who maintained a strict vegan diet during their pregnancies were shown to subsequently give birth to severely ill babies. Guess how many women were studied for this thing?

Two. Just two.
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Say it with me "Correlation does not equal causation".
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If a simple circ can leave such a mark on the baby's psyche, then I suppose that would go double for choosing a c-section over subjecting your child to the trauma of a trip down the birth canal?
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That is so fking ridiculous.
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post #9 of 32
Well, they do say that men think with their dicks.
stands to reason that a dicktal lobotomy could cause issues.

other than that? Its pure BS.
post #10 of 32
Hmm, I'd say this is true of almost every circumcised man I've ever known.

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Say it with me "Correlation does not equal causation".

So what if it doesn't? Is that a good reason to go ahead and slice off part of your baby's penis?
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Hmm, I'd say this is true of almost every circumcised man I've ever known.


So what if it doesn't? Is that a good reason to go ahead and slice off part of your baby's penis?

I'd say it has nothing to do with an circumcised man I've ever known.
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post #12 of 32
I'm guessing that the percentage of men with alexithymia is pretty small so a 60% increased chance is also still rather small. Thus the chances that having your son circumcised will result in alexithymia is pretty small.

I am keeping my son intact but I don't think think circumcision is all that big of a deal.
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They now make a Snuggie® for the penis.
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Gee, this really PISSES ME OFF!!!

Capstan, TMI
post #15 of 32
I'm not pro-circumcision and I think this is a bunch of bull.

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I'm guessing that the percentage of men with alexithymia is pretty small so a 60% increased chance is also still rather small. Thus the chances that having your son circumcised will result in alexithymia is pretty small.

I am keeping my son intact but I don't think think circumcision is all that big of a deal.

And I doubt anyone will argue with your choice.
I do know one person that had it done when he was in his 20s,,, not sure I would suggest that, as I recall he explained it as painful. (evidently it hurts when one gets excited for the first couple weeks after the clipping)
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post #18 of 32
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If a simple circ can leave such a mark on the baby's psyche, then I suppose that would go double for choosing a c-section over subjecting your child to the trauma of a trip down the birth canal?

I could see how c-sections could also correlate to increased alexithymia. Assuming that there's a factor that causes both increased circumcisions and increased alexithymia, I could see the same factor causing increased c-sections. (For example, increased income of parents.)

/silly study is silly.
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Holy crap my name is in a freaking psych disorder? No wonder i'm so screwed up.
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Holy crap my name is in a freaking psych disorder? No wonder i'm so screwed up.

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If a simple circ can leave such a mark on the baby's psyche, then I suppose that would go double for choosing a c-section over subjecting your child to the trauma of a trip down the birth canal?

Natural child birth does not have to be traumatic. It Can be very peaceful and healing.
Unwanted c sections are very traumatic though. I know about both from
Personal experience. And I.do strongly believe infant circumcision messes
People up. Women too. The USA used to allow female circumcision until 1997.
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And I doubt anyone will argue with your choice.
I do know one person that had it done when he was in his 20s,,, not sure I would suggest that, as I recall he explained it as painful. (evidently it hurts when one gets excited for the first couple weeks after the clipping)

It hurts no matter what age u are. Prolly more for abundant who.has
No understanding on why its happening. At least that 20 year old had adequate anesthesia
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post #23 of 32
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Schizophrenia link to Caesareans


Children born by Caesarean section could be more likely to develop schizophrenia in later life, according to research. Experiments have shown a possible link between methods of childbirth and mental health in later life, scientists say.
Doctors have long been puzzled by a statistical link between schizophrenia and birth complications.
Now Canadian researchers, who observed the progress of baby rats born by Caesarean section, think they may have the answer - hormones.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/216831.stm
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/216831.stm

This is also BS.
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Disbelief in scientists links to megalomania

Studies has shown that people who blatantly deny studies are at a higher risk of having or developing narcissism later on in life. According to the research, this is due to a link between the early stages of narcissism, wherein a person concludes that his knowledge of a certain matter is greater than that of others, and will thus not believe in that "factual error".

This can be tied in with a study done on school children that showed the prevalence of neuroses for those children who were disrespectful against their teachers by challenging their knowledge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/13735.stm
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This is also BS.


well, apparently there is a statistical link....I really don't see that as far fetched; birth is an important event, where the baby goes from relying on the umbilical cord to being independent...the birth process helps with this transition, and without it the baby might not be stimulated properly.
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I've become suspicious of a lot of so-called scientific "studies" anyway.

As you should be. Even more so of second hand write ups of said studies. But that doesn't mean they should be assumed to be BS right off the bat either.

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Say it with me "Correlation does not equal causation".

Yeah, but it can indicate that causation is a possibility.

Why do we believe smoking causes lung cancer? Correlation. That and ruling out other hypothesized explanations for the correlation that aren't causation.

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This is also BS.

Why?

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post #28 of 32
Not saying the studies are or aren't good science, but to make such a judgment one should be able to point out an actual flaw in the paper itself.

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I'm guessing that the percentage of men with alexithymia is pretty small so a 60% increased chance is also still rather small. Thus the chances that having your son circumcised will result in alexithymia is pretty small.

I am keeping my son intact but I don't think think circumcision is all that big of a deal.

Based on the wikipedia article, the percentage is between 5 and 10. Also it's more common in men than women, so that would bump the percentage for just men up a bit. Not really that small.

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I'm completely against circumcision in the West ...

And I'm completely against circumcision within the MK postcodes.
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