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04-30-2017 03:51 AM
Naturebound It can be almost as hard to avoid products made in China as it can be to avoid products made with hidden palm oil. :/ Especially for those of us who are not rich. I rarely buy my clothes new, will shop second hand, but so many clothing items are made in China. Though I guess buying it second hand isn't as bad? Lots of cheaper vegan friendly shoes and hiking boots are also made in China. The cost of a good pair of vegan ethically made hiking boots can be fairly high, especially when you add in shipping and handling because around my neck of the woods it is near impossible to find them.

For two years I used nothing but vinegar and tea tree and lavender oils in my hair. No commercial shampoos at all. I have very short simple hair, and very thick and healthy, so it was no problem for me. I don't wear makeup, never use deodorant, no hairspray, live quite simply. I use Kirk's Original Castile bar soaps for washing myself. I was using Dr. Bronner's liquid castile soaps for dishes, laundry, cleaning (as well as vinegar and lemon juice), and started using it for my hair as I got lazy with the natural stuff. But they started adding palm oil to their liquid soap products. Grrr.... I am currently using Kiss My face Whenever shampoo. Truthfully I wash my hair twice a week at most so a bottle will last me four or five months. So the cost and consumption is not an issue for me with this one.
04-27-2017 05:08 AM
BlueMts I am not going to start over. Just going to say this -

I have relied on lists on the net for information about animal testing by cosmetic companies and I am starting to doubt their accuracy.

This is just an example: I use Nivea- moisturisers , deodorant etc. Nivea is made by Beiersdorf in Germany. Germany is in the EU where it is illegal to test cosmetics on animals or use any imported ingredients that have been tested on animals.

"DOES NIVEA TEST ON ANIMALS?Beiersdorf, the organisation behind the NIVEA brand, does not test on animals. As a global company, all our affiliates including Australia and New Zealand, are aligned on this stance. We believe animal testing is not required to prove the safety and effectiveness of our products.

In China, however, animal testing is mandated by law for the official registration and certification of the safety of certain product categories. In this case, the tests are conducted by local institutions authorised by the state not by the companies selling the product. Our goal is to convince these authorities that animal testing for cosmetic products is unnecessary and to advocate for the international acceptance of alternative testing methods."So because China's law requires them to test all cosmetic products, the products Nivea sells to China are tested on animals by China. China does the testing.
So Nivea is removed from some lists. Why? The products I am buying are not tested on animals and Beiersdorf is trying to get China not to test on animals.


Just as an aside - I wouldn't buy anything made in China.
04-27-2017 02:22 AM
Thalassa
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
I've found more personal products made in Canada and labeled no animal testing in Dollar Trees than China. I even found a toothpaste I really like, and dentist approved (not easy) that sells on amazon for $6.
A lot of the cheap plastics and lotions and other grooming products at the Dollar Trees I have visited in Los Angeles say made in China, while still others are Unilever cast offs. I kept going in there for brand named cat food that cost more in the grocery store last year, because of my involvement with feral feeding, and for sunglasses, which always seem to be made in China, unless they're designer, no matter how much they cost.

I did find great products from ethnic companies but that was probably local, as Dollar Tree also gets local cast offs.

I think overall though Costco has better vegetarian and vegan products for discount prices.
04-27-2017 02:13 AM
silva
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I think @silva posted the truth. Costco doesn't do business in China.. it's best to avoid made in China whenever you can anyway, unless you are forced to shop at the dollar tree (guess why dollar stores are so cheap?)

I hate when forums eat my posts. I know sometimes I have problems here because of the data the website requires.
I've found more personal products made in Canada and labeled no animal testing in Dollar Trees than China. I even found a toothpaste I really like, and dentist approved (not easy) that sells on amazon for $6.
04-27-2017 02:09 AM
silva What I've found is that Kirkland is not selling to China, the link I provided being the most recent

I've had many frustrations losing lengthy posts, mostly due to cats on my lap. We used to have an automatic save function-it disappeared with an update with nothing said
04-27-2017 02:07 AM
Thalassa I think @silva posted the truth. Costco doesn't do business in China.. it's best to avoid made in China whenever you can anyway, unless you are forced to shop at the dollar tree (guess why dollar stores are so cheap?)

I hate when forums eat my posts. I know sometimes I have problems here because of the data the website requires.
04-27-2017 01:56 AM
BlueMts I have tried (3 times so far) to post on here about why this happens but my posts keep disappearing just as I am about to finish them. Maybe try again later.

Or OP could just research parent companies selling to China and China's laws which insist on animal testing.

Why isn't there some kind of "save" mechanism for posting ?
04-26-2017 05:02 PM
silva
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Originally Posted by Ginger Arroyo de Wolfe View Post
In case anyone is wondering if kirkland signature shampoo and conditioner are cruelty free….the bottle reads not tested on animals but beware that means absolutely nothing, if not in the data base or and has a logo. Searched today and sure enough is nowhere to be found. very disappointed
Source? Kirkland brand shampoo has long been on lists for not cruelty free/ no animal testing

http://www.crueltyfreekitty.com/news...y-free-list-3/
04-26-2017 04:25 PM
Ginger Arroyo de Wolfe
Not cruelty free

In case anyone is wondering if kirkland signature shampoo and conditioner are cruelty free….the bottle reads not tested on animals but beware that means absolutely nothing, if not in the data base or and has a logo. Searched today and sure enough is nowhere to be found. very disappointed

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