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04-29-2017 09:13 PM
BlueMts
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Originally Posted by Eunnie View Post
I went to the doctor 5 years ago, he said I got ulcer because I didn't eat properly (I ate very late, and when I ate, I ate junk foods) and I was overthinking (I felt when I was overthinking, the ulcer got worse, my stomach was in a severe pain). The doctor never talked about Helicobacter pylori. I was given a medicine but it didn't work. But when I started to eat properly, the ulcer got better, but the side effect were I was hungry and bloating almost all the time. And my metabolism wasn't good until today.

Glad it got better. Maybe the smaller meals more often would help with the bloating and hunger.


Just for information if interested:

https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...stomach-ulcers
What causes a peptic ulcer?

Causes of peptic ulcers include

How can your diet help prevent or relieve a peptic ulcer?

Researchers have not found that diet and nutrition play an important role in causing or preventing peptic ulcers. Before acid blocking drugs became available, milk was used to treat ulcers. However, milk is not an effective way to prevent or relieve a peptic ulcer.
Alcohol and smoking do contribute to ulcers and should be avoided.
04-29-2017 08:49 PM
BlueMts
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
Not sure if I am a rare case, but I have had hypothyroidism for 28 years and have spent half my lifetime underweight (sometimes intentional, sometimes not). I actually tend to lose my appetite when thyroid is low. When I am on too much thyroid med and TSH goes way down (ie hyperthyroid), I have a horrendous appetite and tend to put on weight. But that could have more to do with the side effects of too much medication. I do know that thyroid hormone imbalance either way can make me nauseated or have digestive issues. Exercise has been a huge help in balancing my thyroid and giving me energy, and a clean diet of course helps too. I have to be careful with certain foods that will tend to drive up my TSH and cause absorption issues, and time when I eat and when I take my thyroid meds etc. I don't intentionally drop weight as fast as I used to being in my 40s and in surgical menopause for 12 years, but I can still lose weight, and have to make an effort to eat enough so this doesn't happen because I worked very hard to get to a normal weight range to help my very bad bones. On the other hand, I still fear weight gain because of the fact it is harder to lose weight as someone with thyroid issues (and because my eating disorder is so ingrained in me and the mental stuff is still a struggle), so it's a delicate balance for me.

Also, to the OP, it might help if you eat many smaller meals each day instead of a few larger ones. I have played around with styles of eating to find that four smaller meals a day works very well for me to give me energy all day and not feel too full or sluggish but not constantly starving. You might need more or less. I find that spacing out my meals like this keeps blood sugar even and keeps me from having crashes. But also eating higher in fiber, some plant protein, but also fruits and vegetables for carbs and energy at each meal works for me. When I had digestive issues, or periods of gastritis years ago, I had to stay away from high fat foods as they irritated my stomach terribly.
I used to walk 10ks in the morning and 10ks in the afternoon plus walk several ks carrying a week's groceries for three. and I could never loose weight until I started going to the gym 5 or six times a week for about 4 hrs each time.That got my weight down a bit but not much how ever I developed a lot of muscle so I looked like I had lost weight.

I moved away from the gym and I put more weight on. I could eat hardly anything and I still wouldn't loose weight until my doctor found out my TSH was at the very bottom of the normal range and that my T4s were not converting to T3s. Had other tests done and was diagnosed with Hashimoto's. Was prescribed with thyroxine. Still didn't lose weight until I was told by my Dr to take selenium. Australia has very, very little selenium in the soil so there is very little in the plants. Started taking the selenium and my weight started to drop - to the point where my Dr told me to start eating more. Selenium is needed to convert T2-3s to T4s. It may also inhibit Hashimoto's because Hashimoto's is auto immune and selenium (probably) lowers TPO antibodies.

I agree completely with you about eating more meals a day with less food in each meal so you get the same amount of food. I had a glucose test recently and my blood had dropped the first hour after drinking the glucose (it is supposed to go up)then drop in the second hour) -Too much insulin being produced by my pancreas so sudden blood sugar drops hence the need for the extra meals to even it out.

I agree about the fatty foods too.
04-29-2017 04:18 AM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by BlueMts View Post
Naturebound is right about consulting a medical doctor first.

"The decrease in the stomach's mucus lining that leads to an ulcer is usually caused by one of the following: an infection with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) long-term use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as aspirin and ibuprofen"

Hyperthyroidism is more likely to make you loose weight not gain but hypothyroidism can make you gain weight.

The most likely cause of an ulcer is heliobacter pylori so have it checked.

Is your ulcer medically diagnosed already ?

Once you have the ulcer business cleared up you should teach yourself not to feel hungry. Work out what you need to eat to get the right nutrition and calories and divide it into 5 meals.
Don't overeat to try to make your stomach feel full all the time. It shouldn't be full all the time, You just not supposed to feel that you have to eat all the time.

I sympathise with you because I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis which causes hypothyroidism (not the only way to get it) and no amount of exercise gets rid of the weight.You need to fix the thyroid problem if you have one by taking thyroxine.(script from doctor)

Some years ago I had gastritis - precursor to an ulcer - caused by heliobactor pylori , fixed by an antibiotic.

I was a vegetarian at the time so a good diet can't perform magic and prevent or heal every illness (some things just happen) but a bad diet can be very bad for your health.
Not sure if I am a rare case, but I have had hypothyroidism for 28 years and have spent half my lifetime underweight (sometimes intentional, sometimes not). I actually tend to lose my appetite when thyroid is low. When I am on too much thyroid med and TSH goes way down (ie hyperthyroid), I have a horrendous appetite and tend to put on weight. But that could have more to do with the side effects of too much medication. I do know that thyroid hormone imbalance either way can make me nauseated or have digestive issues. Exercise has been a huge help in balancing my thyroid and giving me energy, and a clean diet of course helps too. I have to be careful with certain foods that will tend to drive up my TSH and cause absorption issues, and time when I eat and when I take my thyroid meds etc. I don't intentionally drop weight as fast as I used to being in my 40s and in surgical menopause for 12 years, but I can still lose weight, and have to make an effort to eat enough so this doesn't happen because I worked very hard to get to a normal weight range to help my very bad bones. On the other hand, I still fear weight gain because of the fact it is harder to lose weight as someone with thyroid issues (and because my eating disorder is so ingrained in me and the mental stuff is still a struggle), so it's a delicate balance for me.

Also, to the OP, it might help if you eat many smaller meals each day instead of a few larger ones. I have played around with styles of eating to find that four smaller meals a day works very well for me to give me energy all day and not feel too full or sluggish but not constantly starving. You might need more or less. I find that spacing out my meals like this keeps blood sugar even and keeps me from having crashes. But also eating higher in fiber, some plant protein, but also fruits and vegetables for carbs and energy at each meal works for me. When I had digestive issues, or periods of gastritis years ago, I had to stay away from high fat foods as they irritated my stomach terribly.
04-29-2017 03:32 AM
Eunnie
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMts View Post
Naturebound is right about consulting a medical doctor first.

"The decrease in the stomach's mucus lining that leads to an ulcer is usually caused by one of the following: an infection with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) long-term use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as aspirin and ibuprofen"

Hyperthyroidism is more likely to make you loose weight not gain but hypothyroidism can make you gain weight.

The most likely cause of an ulcer is heliobacter pylori so have it checked.

Is your ulcer medically diagnosed already ?

Once you have the ulcer business cleared up you should teach yourself not to feel hungry. Work out what you need to eat to get the right nutrition and calories and divide it into 5 meals.
Don't overeat to try to make your stomach feel full all the time. It shouldn't be full all the time, You just not supposed to feel that you have to eat all the time.

I sympathise with you because I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis which causes hypothyroidism (not the only way to get it) and no amount of exercise gets rid of the weight.You need to fix the thyroid problem if you have one by taking thyroxine.(script from doctor)

Some years ago I had gastritis - precursor to an ulcer - caused by heliobactor pylori , fixed by an antibiotic.

I was a vegetarian at the time so a good diet can't perform magic and prevent or heal every illness (some things just happen) but a bad diet can be very bad for your health.
I went to the doctor 5 years ago, he said I got ulcer because I didn't eat properly (I ate very late, and when I ate, I ate junk foods) and I was overthinking (I felt when I was overthinking, the ulcer got worse, my stomach was in a severe pain). The doctor never talked about Helicobacter pylori. I was given a medicine but it didn't work. But when I started to eat properly, the ulcer got better, but the side effect were I was hungry and bloating almost all the time. And my metabolism wasn't good until today.
04-28-2017 10:44 PM
BlueMts Naturebound is right about consulting a medical doctor first.

"The decrease in the stomach's mucus lining that leads to an ulcer is usually caused by one of the following: an infection with the bacterium Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) long-term use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), such as aspirin and ibuprofen"

Hyperthyroidism is more likely to make you loose weight not gain but hypothyroidism can make you gain weight.

The most likely cause of an ulcer is heliobacter pylori so have it checked.

Is your ulcer medically diagnosed already ?

Once you have the ulcer business cleared up you should teach yourself not to feel hungry. Work out what you need to eat to get the right nutrition and calories and divide it into 5 meals.
Don't overeat to try to make your stomach feel full all the time. It shouldn't be full all the time, You just not supposed to feel that you have to eat all the time.

I sympathise with you because I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis which causes hypothyroidism (not the only way to get it) and no amount of exercise gets rid of the weight.You need to fix the thyroid problem if you have one by taking thyroxine.(script from doctor)

Some years ago I had gastritis - precursor to an ulcer - caused by heliobactor pylori , fixed by an antibiotic.

I was a vegetarian at the time so a good diet can't perform magic and prevent or heal every illness (some things just happen) but a bad diet can be very bad for your health.
04-27-2017 10:37 PM
Eunnie [quote=Naturebound;4078002]Wow, those seem like awfully low weights, unless you are extremely short.

There are many conditions that can cause a person to feel hungry all the time...

diabetes
hypoglycemia (low blood sugar)
high stress/anxiety
hyperthyroidism
eating disorders (restricting too long can increase appetite hormones as a survival mechanism; bingeing can affect blood sugar and cause crashes, leading you on a merrygoround)

As the others mentioned, it is important to rule out non diet related causes of your hunger first. I'd skip the nutritionist and go to a medical doctor and get some tests done.

That said, increasing fiber, protein, and getting enough healthy fat in your diet will go a long way in stabilizing blood sugar and helping with fullness. For vegans, this means consuming several servings of beans/legumes each day. Prepare and eat whole grains, not bread/flour, but whole grains like brown rice, millet, quinoa, buckwheat groats, barley, kamut, oats, wheatberries etc. These whole grains provide not only fiber but B vitamins (except B12) and a source of protein. Fresh or frozen vegetables are great too, like broccoli, leafy greens, tubers, beets, cauliflower etc. I try to include two servings a day of nuts and seeds and/or avocado or coconut in my diet as sources of healthy fats. For example, I might have 1/4 cup of whole almonds and a mango for breafkast. The almonds are satisfying and keep me full and give me sustained energy for hours. But you must be able to stop at a serving or two, not binge on them. If bingeing is a problem, when you first buy nuts, measure them into individual containers per serving and store these in your freezer or far out of sight where it's hard to get to them. Only buy what you can use in a week. I will sometimes add a serving of raw whole sunflower seeds without shell into salads, or eat roasted pumpkin seeds with shell on mixed with raisins for a snack.

Potatoes can be healthy and filling, but it depends on what you add to them. I usually add steamed broccoli, black beans, and nutritional yeast sauce. If you have blood sugar issues, eating them with skin on and adding nonstarchy vegetables and beans to them can help even out blood sugar.

A whole foods plant diet is far less acidic than a typical diet that includes meat, dairy, eggs, sugar, etc. So it might help your stomach ulcer. But you need to research and know what you are doing. Do not just rely on what people tell you on the internet. Find vegan nutrition related books if you can to help you figure out what to eat and how to meet your needs. I really like this book:



The authors are registered dieticians, long term vegans, and include legitimate studies and details about micro and macronutrients in their book. It was my go to book when I first went vegan. They do not push any particular style of eating vegan, but do study different styles for certain nutrients.

And here is a typical vegan food plate with explanations for reference:


Thank you for the tips! I will try to follow Dr Neal Barnard's 21 days kickstart program, hopefully it will cure my stomach ulcer (or get better) and lose weight.
04-24-2017 02:49 AM
Naturebound
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eunnie View Post
My current weight is 56kg, my ideal weight is 46kg. I live in Indonesia. Most doctors / dieticians here are not vegan (I've searched for plant based doctors, I didn't find any), so I'm sure they'd recommend consuming animal products so I don't want that. Thank you for your help!
Wow, those seem like awfully low weights, unless you are extremely short.

There are many conditions that can cause a person to feel hungry all the time...

diabetes
hypoglycemia (low blood sugar)
high stress/anxiety
hyperthyroidism
eating disorders (restricting too long can increase appetite hormones as a survival mechanism; bingeing can affect blood sugar and cause crashes, leading you on a merrygoround)

As the others mentioned, it is important to rule out non diet related causes of your hunger first. I'd skip the nutritionist and go to a medical doctor and get some tests done.

That said, increasing fiber, protein, and getting enough healthy fat in your diet will go a long way in stabilizing blood sugar and helping with fullness. For vegans, this means consuming several servings of beans/legumes each day. Prepare and eat whole grains, not bread/flour, but whole grains like brown rice, millet, quinoa, buckwheat groats, barley, kamut, oats, wheatberries etc. These whole grains provide not only fiber but B vitamins (except B12) and a source of protein. Fresh or frozen vegetables are great too, like broccoli, leafy greens, tubers, beets, cauliflower etc. I try to include two servings a day of nuts and seeds and/or avocado or coconut in my diet as sources of healthy fats. For example, I might have 1/4 cup of whole almonds and a mango for breafkast. The almonds are satisfying and keep me full and give me sustained energy for hours. But you must be able to stop at a serving or two, not binge on them. If bingeing is a problem, when you first buy nuts, measure them into individual containers per serving and store these in your freezer or far out of sight where it's hard to get to them. Only buy what you can use in a week. I will sometimes add a serving of raw whole sunflower seeds without shell into salads, or eat roasted pumpkin seeds with shell on mixed with raisins for a snack.

Potatoes can be healthy and filling, but it depends on what you add to them. I usually add steamed broccoli, black beans, and nutritional yeast sauce. If you have blood sugar issues, eating them with skin on and adding nonstarchy vegetables and beans to them can help even out blood sugar.

A whole foods plant diet is far less acidic than a typical diet that includes meat, dairy, eggs, sugar, etc. So it might help your stomach ulcer. But you need to research and know what you are doing. Do not just rely on what people tell you on the internet. Find vegan nutrition related books if you can to help you figure out what to eat and how to meet your needs. I really like this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Vega.../dp/1570671036

The authors are registered dieticians, long term vegans, and include legitimate studies and details about micro and macronutrients in their book. It was my go to book when I first went vegan. They do not push any particular style of eating vegan, but do study different styles for certain nutrients.

And here is a typical vegan food plate with explanations for reference:
http://www.vegancoach.com/vegan-food-pyramid.html
04-23-2017 08:44 PM
Eunnie
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
I wonder if it's really "hunger" they're feeling. @Eunnie - you don't really say if you're over weight or not, or how much. I don't think eating whole food plant based would be a problem as long as you follow a basic, good meal plan. A dietician with focus on plant based diets would be a very good idea
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Originally Posted by David3 View Post
A Registered Dietician - one who focuses on plant-based diets - could certainly help you, Eunnie. What country / state do you live in? I can post information on RD's in your area, if you'd like.
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My current weight is 56kg, my ideal weight is 46kg. I live in Indonesia. Most doctors / dieticians here are not vegan (I've searched for plant based doctors, I didn't find any), so I'm sure they'd recommend consuming animal products so I don't want that. Thank you for your help!
04-23-2017 05:16 PM
David3
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
I wonder if it's really "hunger" they're feeling. @Eunnie - you don't really say if you're over weight or not, or how much. I don't think eating whole food plant based would be a problem as long as you follow a basic, good meal plan. A dietician with focus on plant based diets would be a very good idea

A Registered Dietician - one who focuses on plant-based diets - could certainly help you, Eunnie. What country / state do you live in? I can post information on RD's in your area, if you'd like.
.
04-23-2017 05:04 PM
silva
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Originally Posted by David3 View Post
Hi Eunnie,

Feeling hungry only 1 hour after eating doesn't sound healthy, or normal. It sounds like you've had this problem as an omnivore, and as a vegan.

I would first concentrate on getting your medical / digestive problem solved, before you try making a big change to your diet.
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I wonder if it's really "hunger" they're feeling. @Eunnie - you don't really say if you're over weight or not, or how much. I don't think eating whole food plant based would be a problem as long as you follow a basic, good meal plan. A dietician with focus on plant based diets would be a very good idea
04-23-2017 03:38 PM
David3
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Originally Posted by Eunnie View Post
I've had stomach ulcer since I lived on my own during the first and second semester of college, it was because I didn't eat properly. I didn't eat properly, I ate whatever I want and I regretted what I did. So I had a severe pain for 2 months, but the side effect I got was constant stomach bloating and feeling hungry all the time. No matter how much I ate, I will always feel hungry 1 hour after eating. So I'd binge eating (eat whatever, most of the foods were not healthy foods). Because I didn't eat healthy foods, I also gained a lot of weight.
It's been 6 years and the bloating and feeling of hunger didn't stop.
I became vegan 6 months ago because my favorite youtuber is vegan and I was encouraged to become vegan and also I watched Cowspiracy and Earthlings (so i'm vegan first and foremost for ethical reason). Even after became vegan, I don't have a lot of energy, usually feeling sleepy, bloating, hungry all the time, I didn't lose any weight (although I look slimmer). I still consumed oil but now I really want to delve into whole food plant based diet, I ate starches a lot more because people said it will make my stomach fuller, also didn't work. 1 hour later I'd feel hungry.
I really want to stop feeling hungry (and the bloating) and lose weight at the same time (i worked out 3 times a week, hopefully it will help me losing weight).
Does anyone out there have this kind of issue, or tips? thank you so much!

Hi Eunnie,

Feeling hungry only 1 hour after eating doesn't sound healthy, or normal. It sounds like you've had this problem as an omnivore, and as a vegan.

I would first concentrate on getting your medical / digestive problem solved, before you try making a big change to your diet.
.
04-23-2017 12:05 PM
Eunnie
Whole food plant based diet and stomach ulcer

I've had stomach ulcer since I lived on my own during the first and second semester of college, it was because I didn't eat properly. I didn't eat properly, I ate whatever I want and I regretted what I did. So I had a severe pain for 2 months, but the side effect I got was constant stomach bloating and feeling hungry all the time. No matter how much I ate, I will always feel hungry 1 hour after eating. So I'd binge eating (eat whatever, most of the foods were not healthy foods). Because I didn't eat healthy foods, I also gained a lot of weight.
It's been 6 years and the bloating and feeling of hunger didn't stop.
I became vegan 6 months ago because my favorite youtuber is vegan and I was encouraged to become vegan and also I watched Cowspiracy and Earthlings (so i'm vegan first and foremost for ethical reason). Even after became vegan, I don't have a lot of energy, usually feeling sleepy, bloating, hungry all the time, I didn't lose any weight (although I look slimmer). I still consumed oil but now I really want to delve into whole food plant based diet, I ate starches a lot more because people said it will make my stomach fuller, also didn't work. 1 hour later I'd feel hungry.
I really want to stop feeling hungry (and the bloating) and lose weight at the same time (i worked out 3 times a week, hopefully it will help me losing weight).
Does anyone out there have this kind of issue, or tips? thank you so much!

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