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04-19-2017 02:27 AM
silva I wish people would stop thinking that seeing documentaries, and knowing the reality of how animals get turned into food, will prevent people from wanting it. I know plenty of people who've watched Earthling and such, feel bad, but then realize that's how it's affordable and make the conscious decision to ignore the atrocities because that's how afford to buy meat. They'll then go on about other horrors

seriously, i think few people haven't seen documentaries in this internet age
04-18-2017 05:25 PM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by Purp View Post
Didn't you show you mom Earthlings, or am I thinking of someone else? I'm sorry you have to go through this. Iwish we lived closer, so you could join our family. We aren't 100% vegan, but we do have vegan options at our meals. Like dessert.
Aw, very sweet of you!

My Mom has seen Earthlings, and Forks Over Knives, and Peaceable Kingdom, and a slew of other documentaries. She's read "The China Study" also. But she still thinks she needs meat. I used to have so much fun visiting her and whipping up vegan meals with whatever she had on hand. I'm going to miss that. :/

My partner is the only person left for me to make yummy vegan food for. Even my vegan meetup group has sort of died out. On a positive note I made hummus for a potluck at work and everyone loved it! You can never fail with hummus.
04-18-2017 12:18 PM
Purp
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
My mom is actually obese and has been for over 35 years. She is also very sedentary and has been for years. She has struggled with an eating disorder (binge eating) and has a list of mental illness and a very traumatic childhood. It is very very difficult for me not to be terribly frustrated with her because she falls into believing and trying all these different diet tactics thinking one of them will solve her problems, only to give up and move on to something else. It also frustrates me because I put in a LOT of time and energy helping her go vegan, spending hours sitting with her at a table and going over gluten free vegan recipes, foods, meal plans, etc (she has eaten mostly gluten free for years due to a supposed intolerance). I worked with her to help her meet her needs, and showed her many documentaries about veganism, both ethical, environmental, and health related. Veganism to me is very much about ethics, not diet. I wanted it to be the same for her, but her focus always seems to be drawn to diet. I also want her to be healthy and have energy again and not hurt all the time. Its hard to just let go and let her be. Very hard.

When she told me about the 800 calorie diet and meat twice a day to lose weight, I was floored. Though even at my lowest weight (which was very very low) in my own battle with anorexia, I consumed more than 800 calories per day on MOST days, but I know how unhealthy this kind of restriction is. I lost a lot of muscle, including heart muscle, and suffered heart arrythmias and sinus bradycardia (pulse and heart rate in low 40s, upper 30s) during activity, worse at night. You can't meet nutritional needs at that low of a calorie intake. And over even just a few weeks, it slows your metabolism down considerably, so that when you do try to add even a few hundred calories more per day etc the weight piles back on very easily unless you compensate some other way. No amount of protein/meat within that calorie range is going to slow muscle loss. I can't make her understand that. I have seen her lose and regain more weight over and over and over through the years, resulting in even worse health issues. I think sometimes this is payback for the years I was really sick and my family watched helplessly and were frustrated with me for not being able to change or care for myself.

So it's been double whammy. Watching her starve herself (and feeling betrayed that she would tell me about this when I have worked incredibly hard to overcome my own eating disorder battles), and turn her back on veganism when she used to preach about how much better being vegan was for the environment, and how much she loves animals and can't stand to see them suffer bla bla. She is also very easily influenced by others, and I KNOW there is someone (I'm pretty sure it's this quack chiropractor she sees) influencing her to eat meat and do this ridiculous diet. Her diet is not medically supervised either.

I sometimes feel like the parent, but I am not exactly the most stable and mature person myself. I really didn't handle yesterday very well at all. We had some good moments, but I opened my mouth and probably hurt her and said unnecessary things. Even after 44 years its hard to accept our family dynamics and just let it go. It was HARD to watch her down chicken (that she didn't even like) and then suck on hard candy all day long to avoid eating more. I remember the days I would chew two packs of sugar free gum per day to avoid eating. Shudders.

I think we were doing better, starting to warm up to each other, until just before I left. She asked if I was mad at her, and I said it was ok, I was just frustrated about the meat, and I could see her face just crumble. I wish I would have just let it go. I feel like a horrible person. On the same token, I feel disrespected and dismissed.

Geeze, and this day is supposed to be one of joy and fun. I need more happy friends to have fun with. :/
Didn't you show you mom Earthlings, or am I thinking of someone else? I'm sorry you have to go through this. Iwish we lived closer, so you could join our family. We aren't 100% vegan, but we do have vegan options at our meals. Like dessert.
04-17-2017 11:40 AM
Fromper I was pleasantly surprised that the gaming store where I play on Sundays was open for Easter, and my usual gaming group was there. We had a decent sized group, which surprised me. Not many people celebrating the holiday. As an atheist, I consider the decreased influence of Christianity to be a good thing.

--Fromper
04-17-2017 04:14 AM
Naturebound
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Good idea because her diet actually does sound dangerous. ..800 calories a day, what's that about, it sounds like she's on a crash diet to try to get into a swimsuit or something.

Mmmm vegan mac and cheese!
My mom is actually obese and has been for over 35 years. She is also very sedentary and has been for years. She has struggled with an eating disorder (binge eating) and has a list of mental illness and a very traumatic childhood. It is very very difficult for me not to be terribly frustrated with her because she falls into believing and trying all these different diet tactics thinking one of them will solve her problems, only to give up and move on to something else. It also frustrates me because I put in a LOT of time and energy helping her go vegan, spending hours sitting with her at a table and going over gluten free vegan recipes, foods, meal plans, etc (she has eaten mostly gluten free for years due to a supposed intolerance). I worked with her to help her meet her needs, and showed her many documentaries about veganism, both ethical, environmental, and health related. Veganism to me is very much about ethics, not diet. I wanted it to be the same for her, but her focus always seems to be drawn to diet. I also want her to be healthy and have energy again and not hurt all the time. Its hard to just let go and let her be. Very hard.

When she told me about the 800 calorie diet and meat twice a day to lose weight, I was floored. Though even at my lowest weight (which was very very low) in my own battle with anorexia, I consumed more than 800 calories per day on MOST days, but I know how unhealthy this kind of restriction is. I lost a lot of muscle, including heart muscle, and suffered heart arrythmias and sinus bradycardia (pulse and heart rate in low 40s, upper 30s) during activity, worse at night. You can't meet nutritional needs at that low of a calorie intake. And over even just a few weeks, it slows your metabolism down considerably, so that when you do try to add even a few hundred calories more per day etc the weight piles back on very easily unless you compensate some other way. No amount of protein/meat within that calorie range is going to slow muscle loss. I can't make her understand that. I have seen her lose and regain more weight over and over and over through the years, resulting in even worse health issues. I think sometimes this is payback for the years I was really sick and my family watched helplessly and were frustrated with me for not being able to change or care for myself.

So it's been double whammy. Watching her starve herself (and feeling betrayed that she would tell me about this when I have worked incredibly hard to overcome my own eating disorder battles), and turn her back on veganism when she used to preach about how much better being vegan was for the environment, and how much she loves animals and can't stand to see them suffer bla bla. She is also very easily influenced by others, and I KNOW there is someone (I'm pretty sure it's this quack chiropractor she sees) influencing her to eat meat and do this ridiculous diet. Her diet is not medically supervised either.

I sometimes feel like the parent, but I am not exactly the most stable and mature person myself. I really didn't handle yesterday very well at all. We had some good moments, but I opened my mouth and probably hurt her and said unnecessary things. Even after 44 years its hard to accept our family dynamics and just let it go. It was HARD to watch her down chicken (that she didn't even like) and then suck on hard candy all day long to avoid eating more. I remember the days I would chew two packs of sugar free gum per day to avoid eating. Shudders.

I think we were doing better, starting to warm up to each other, until just before I left. She asked if I was mad at her, and I said it was ok, I was just frustrated about the meat, and I could see her face just crumble. I wish I would have just let it go. I feel like a horrible person. On the same token, I feel disrespected and dismissed.

Geeze, and this day is supposed to be one of joy and fun. I need more happy friends to have fun with. :/
04-16-2017 09:51 PM
Capstan I spent some time yesterday with my mother. We had root-beer. Today (Easter,) I had spaghetti with Beyond Meat in the sauce, Go Veggie parmesan cheese, a spinach and olive salad with Follow Your Heart bleu cheese dressing, and a Schar ciabatta roll with Earth Balance butter and garlic. Had an apricot pastry for dessert. Happy holiday!
04-16-2017 02:18 PM
Thalassa
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lol the gluten. I think the vegan mac and cheese I made is a secret way of rubbing it in my Mom's face. It is loaded with gluten, soy, fat lol. And my fruit salad is all carbs. My Mom is on a Paleo, 800 calorie per day diet of meat and vegetables and she eats totally gluten free (unless she is in a binge phase). I'm coming armed with studies from huge research organizations like the Mayo Clinic on how increased protein diets for older people is dangerous and increases risk of heart attack, stroke etc. in case she feels the need to pick a fight with me. Otherwise I will just be quiet and nice.
Good idea because her diet actually does sound dangerous. ..800 calories a day, what's that about, it sounds like she's on a crash diet to try to get into a swimsuit or something.

Mmmm vegan mac and cheese!
04-16-2017 01:24 PM
Purp
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
lol the gluten. I think the vegan mac and cheese I made is a secret way of rubbing it in my Mom's face. It is loaded with gluten, soy, fat lol. And my fruit salad is all carbs. My Mom is on a Paleo, 800 calorie per day diet of meat and vegetables and she eats totally gluten free (unless she is in a binge phase). I'm coming armed with studies from huge research organizations like the Mayo Clinic on how increased protein diets for older people is dangerous and increases risk of heart attack, stroke etc. in case she feels the need to pick a fight with me. Otherwise I will just be quiet and nice.
Go @Naturebound ,go!!! I'm rooting for you all the way in this one.
04-16-2017 04:03 AM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by Thalassa View Post
I am a Christian. Most of my popular contemporaries are vegan from Good Charlotte to Avril Lavigne and Nickelback, we are probably the age group most likely to be vegan on the planet.


My mom drinks non-dairy milk and isn't vegan and my sister is one of those people who drink raw milk and eat local. I'm most likely to think of my family as influential Victorian prostitutes who otherwise inspired my story (like literally we are from the 19th century and have tiny Irish wrists).


I'm a loner. Not sure that needs qualification. I'll spend Easter reading the Bible and eating gluten.
lol the gluten. I think the vegan mac and cheese I made is a secret way of rubbing it in my Mom's face. It is loaded with gluten, soy, fat lol. And my fruit salad is all carbs. My Mom is on a Paleo, 800 calorie per day diet of meat and vegetables and she eats totally gluten free (unless she is in a binge phase). I'm coming armed with studies from huge research organizations like the Mayo Clinic on how increased protein diets for older people is dangerous and increases risk of heart attack, stroke etc. in case she feels the need to pick a fight with me. Otherwise I will just be quiet and nice.
04-16-2017 12:22 AM
BlueMts Easter is just an excuse for eating chocolate
04-15-2017 11:43 PM
Thalassa I am a Christian. Most of my popular contemporaries are vegan from Good Charlotte to Avril Lavigne and Nickelback, we are probably the age group most likely to be vegan on the planet.


My mom drinks non-dairy milk and isn't vegan and my sister is one of those people who drink raw milk and eat local. I'm most likely to think of my family as influential Victorian prostitutes who otherwise inspired my story (like literally we are from the 19th century and have tiny Irish wrists).


I'm a loner. Not sure that needs qualification. I'll spend Easter reading the Bible and eating gluten.
04-15-2017 10:50 PM
Purp
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I'm actually having a really hard time because my mother gave up eating plant based and is now eating meat at every meal, insisting she needs meat and that humans shouldn't be vegan bla bla. She's done a total 180. This will be the first family holiday get together in almost three years that will not be all vegan. I'm also shocked that she would ask me to ask my partner what kind of meat he wants her to make him. And in fact my partner stated quite curtly he is not interested in eating any meat. He eats 90% vegan with occasional dairy that he buys himself, and eats meat maybe a handful of times per year around his own family. I'm feeling really discouraged with family politics right now, and am going to have to figure out some way to put differences aside for tomorrow so this visit can be halfway decent. I don't see my family often. I feel very unmotivated to make any special dishes. I'm also not a religious person at all. My mother is a catholic nun so this day is very important to her. Even as an atheist, I can respect that, but the meat thing, that's so much harder for me to let go and accept. :/ Especially since she said she is making a chicken dish.

I kept it fairly simple for tomorrow, and made a vegan Mac and cheese for my sister and partner, neither of whom are interested in my Mom's meat. I made a cabbage, apple, sauerkraut dish for myself, Mom, and a potential other visitor who might come. And a fruit salad with coconut yogurt/cocowhip and bananas, oranges, and cherries for everyone.
I'm sorry to hear this.
04-15-2017 10:48 PM
Purp Happy Easter, everyone.
04-15-2017 06:48 PM
silva @Naturebound - so sorry to hear that, after all you've done to help your mom! I'm glad your guy and sis are supporting you!
that apple cabbage sauerkraut dish sounds really good! I always liked to combine sauerkraut with reg cabbage- something I've made with those big--butter beans (LOL!), or kasha
04-15-2017 06:12 PM
Naturebound I'm actually having a really hard time because my mother gave up eating plant based and is now eating meat at every meal, insisting she needs meat and that humans shouldn't be vegan bla bla. She's done a total 180. This will be the first family holiday get together in almost three years that will not be all vegan. I'm also shocked that she would ask me to ask my partner what kind of meat he wants her to make him. And in fact my partner stated quite curtly he is not interested in eating any meat. He eats 90% vegan with occasional dairy that he buys himself, and eats meat maybe a handful of times per year around his own family. I'm feeling really discouraged with family politics right now, and am going to have to figure out some way to put differences aside for tomorrow so this visit can be halfway decent. I don't see my family often. I feel very unmotivated to make any special dishes. I'm also not a religious person at all. My mother is a catholic nun so this day is very important to her. Even as an atheist, I can respect that, but the meat thing, that's so much harder for me to let go and accept. :/ Especially since she said she is making a chicken dish.

I kept it fairly simple for tomorrow, and made a vegan Mac and cheese for my sister and partner, neither of whom are interested in my Mom's meat. I made a cabbage, apple, sauerkraut dish for myself, Mom, and a potential other visitor who might come. And a fruit salad with coconut yogurt/cocowhip and bananas, oranges, and cherries for everyone.
04-15-2017 10:59 AM
Werewolf Girl
The Official Veggieboards Easter Thread 2017!

Is it too late to start this? I'm doing it anyway!

What are you guys doing for Easter this year? Any big family dinners or Easter egg hunts planned?

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