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04-02-2017 08:36 PM
happysie Will do, I'm active on other message boards (unrelated to food) and hope to be on this one as well.
04-02-2017 06:52 PM
David3
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@David3 , thank you for the fighters, since he used to be a Muay Thai fighter he was interested in that part when I asked him if he knew of that man. Also, our friend graduated with his bach degree in nutrition, but hasn't yet sat for his licensing test, so we always take his advice with that frame in mind- but honestly if it was what finally got my husband on board I'm not going to complain too much.

It's fantastic that your husband is on board with you, and that you are personal friends with a knowledgeable person. Let us know how things progress!
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04-02-2017 06:48 PM
David3
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Great article about vegan Olympic weightlifter, Kenrick Farris!




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04-02-2017 06:44 PM
happysie @David3 , thank you for the fighters, since he used to be a Muay Thai fighter he was interested in that part when I asked him if he knew of that man. Also, our friend graduated with his bach degree in nutrition, but hasn't yet sat for his licensing test, so we always take his advice with that frame in mind- but honestly if it was what finally got my husband on board I'm not going to complain too much.
04-02-2017 06:36 PM
happysie Thank you for those resources, I've sent them to my husband so he can look into it....
I appreciate the perspective regarding iron and protein, I need to sit down one afternoon and really put some research and thought into it.
04-02-2017 06:24 PM
David3
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I have recently started transitioning to vegetarian about 2 weeks ago, prior to that I mainly ate only white meat anyway and had been considering going vegetarian for a while- but it was difficult due to my Husband being a serious meat-eater due to his weightlifting. The other week he called saying his friend (who is a nutritionist) suggested going "organic, plant based" with his diet.... he wouldn't let me actually call it vegetarian but I jumped on board.
Not sure what all I'm supposed to share on this....
Anyway, I'm interested in anything that will help husband stay on this track, he feels some energy loss I think. I am worried that I get enough protein and iron since I have a history of anemia.

Well... anyway. Hello!

Hi Happysie, and welcome to the forum.

Good questions! These questions have actually been addressed by a mainstream fitness organization - the American Council on Exercise. Below are answers and links, according to topic.


Vegetarian diets and physical training:

The American Council on Exercise (A.C.E.) is one of the largest certification organizations for personal trainers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...il_on_Exercise . If you look at the credentials of a reputable personal trainer, you may see "ACE Certified" among them.

The American Council on Exercise makes the following statements regarding vegetarian diets and physical training:

"In response to increased levels of cholesterol and a greater risk of heart disease—or for countless other reasons—many Americans are making the switch from a diet dominated by hamburgers and hot dogs to one of veggie burgers and tofu. But is this type of diet a wise choice for athletes who need to maintain their strength and stamina? The answer to that question is a qualified “yes.” Whether you are an athlete or moderately active, you must be aware of the nutritional implications of vegetarianism and choose foods that will provide you with enough calories and nutrients to keep you healthy and strong." Link: https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/fi...-and-athletes/

"It is not uncommon for vegans to be questioned about their protein intake and lifestyle choices. As a trainer, never suggest adding meat or dairy to a diet unless the client asks for the advice. Also, do not judge your clients’ lifestyle choices or suggest their health or muscle mass would improve if they started eating meat. Finally, avoid offensive jokes or remarks that either makes fun of the lifestyle or animal rights—always honor and respect your client’s choices." Link: https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5451...d-vegan-client

(End of quotes)


There are also a fair number of successful vegetarian and vegan athletes:

Jan Muller, World Champion Muay Thai Fighter

Bill Pearl, 4-Time Mr. Universe

Barny Du Plessis, 2014 Mr. Universe

Joel Kirkilis, Victoria, Australia Regional Bodybuilding Champion

Jake Shields, MMA Fighter: Elite XC Welterweight Champion, Shooto Middleweight Champion, Strikeforce Middleweight Champion

Mac Danzig, UFC Fighter

Kenrick Farris, Olympic weightlifter, U.S. record holder for snatch and clean-and-jerk lifts



Lack of energy on whole foods plant-based diets:

The American Council on Exercise makes this statement regarding energy and vegetarian diets:


"The high-fiber, low-calorie nature of most vegetarian foods may pose a problem for athletes. Very often the volume of vegetarian foods required to meet their energy needs is greater than their stomach’s capacity for food. When energy reserves drop too low, the body will convert its own muscle or protein to compensate for the deficiency, leaving little left over for growth. Eating several smaller meals throughout the day or snacking on foods that contain both carbohydrates and some protein may be helpful." Link: https://www.acefitness.org/acefit/fi...-and-athletes/


A good summary! Whole plant foods (with the exceptions of nuts, seeds, and other oily foods) tend to be low in calories, compared to high-fat meats and dairy products. For example, 100 grams of 90% lean ground beef contains about 217 calories, but 100 grams of boiled pinto beans only contains about 143 calories. For this reason, on a whole plant-based diet, it is possible to eat until you're full, yet still not get nearly enough calories to fuel your athletic activity.

You and your husband might find it useful to make an appointment with a Registered Dietitian who specializes in vegetarian nutrition and in physical training. In the United States, you can find a local Registered Dietitian through the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics: http://www.eatright.org. Just click on the red "Find An Expert" button in the upper-right part of that webpage.

Your husband's friend, the nutritionist, may also be a good resource. However, without any disrespect towards that person, it should be noted that the title of "nutritionist" doesn't require any standardized education or training in the United States. In contrast, a "Registered Dietitian" must have a university degree in human nutrition and dietetics, and must undergo standardized testing, certification, and ongoing education: http://www.clinicalnutritioncenter.c...s-nutritionist


Anemia:

Iron anemia is not uncommon for women.

However, the peer-reviewed nutrition literature appears to conclude that iron anemia is equally prevalent among vegans and omnivores. Please see these articles from the peer-reviewed American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (not a vegetarian or vegan agency):

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1233S.abstract

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89...d-2b5a58685117


Protein and vegetarian diets:

The American Council on Exercise has published an article on this topic: https://www.acefitness.org/blog/5297...-actually-need



Admiring comment from me: I so much admire that you and your husband are both involved in keeping yourselves healthy and strong! I really, strongly encourage you to make 1 or 2 appointments with a Registered Dietitian. They can work with you to develop an eating plan with plenty of calories, protein, and nutrients - you'll avoid a lot of doubt and guesswork!
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04-02-2017 05:55 PM
silva Hey
Lots of athletes are going plant based now, finding new energy, endurance and health.

http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?pa...buildingmuscle
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/musc...n-clean-eating
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/sp...ybuilding.html
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fi...-vegan-w434203

There are so many ways to eat plant based. I was low on iron as a meat eater, but haven't been low since, since I focused on things to raise it. Cooking on cast iron skillet for almost everything, combining iron foods with vitamin c. Eating fortified wheat cereals a few times a week. Keeping caffeine away from iron meals
Proteins easy once you get it together

https://www.vegansociety.com/resourc...ients/overview
04-02-2017 04:32 PM
happysie
Well Hello

I have recently started transitioning to vegetarian about 2 weeks ago, prior to that I mainly ate only white meat anyway and had been considering going vegetarian for a while- but it was difficult due to my Husband being a serious meat-eater due to his weightlifting. The other week he called saying his friend (who is a nutritionist) suggested going "organic, plant based" with his diet.... he wouldn't let me actually call it vegetarian but I jumped on board.
Not sure what all I'm supposed to share on this....
Anyway, I'm interested in anything that will help husband stay on this track, he feels some energy loss I think. I am worried that I get enough protein and iron since I have a history of anemia.

Well... anyway. Hello!

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