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09-07-2017 05:19 PM
TREEfool OP, when my son gets old enough to make these types of decisions he won't have the option to eat meat, dairy, or eggs in our house because we won't have it available. I can't control what he eats in school or at a friends house so I don't plan on attempting to control it. I assume my son will love being vegan since he was born into it but if I had children your age I would make sure they could verbally explain to me what happens to the animal in order for it to become a "burger" or "chicken wing". If they showed an age-appropriate grasp on the subject and they still wanted to eat meat I would be hard pressed to stop them from doing it.

Good luck! You have some tough decisions ahead of you.
09-01-2017 11:29 AM
David3
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Originally Posted by Capstan View Post
Pure mythology. Whoever named those teeth, "canines," wasn't thinking very clearly. Our so-called, canines, are nothing like a dog or wolf's teeth, which are long, round and pointed, good for piercing and holding, as in a hunt. The idea that early men chased down animals and caught them or fought with their teeth is ridiculous. Our so-called canines are flat- shaped like little knives- just right for slicing, perfect for eating, say, a carrot. Whoever named them canines didn't have their head on straight. It would be just as dumb to call them, "felines."

Definitely!

Now these are "canine" teeth. And they belong to an animal that is typically 95+% vegan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_chimpanzee#Diet



Yep - some chimpanzees have been observed practicing cannibalism. Nevertheless, a wild chimpanzee's diet is almost entirely vegan overall.

Their vegan diet seems pretty effective maintaining muscle mass, too. The chimpanzee below has a medical condition that has made them hairless, but it really shows off the muscles!:

09-01-2017 12:37 AM
Spudulika
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Originally Posted by Necter View Post
Plant based does not equal vegan, and the bottom line is that if you eat animal products, even occasionally, you are not vegan. You might call yourself plant-based, but even that is questionable.

True vegans NEVER consume any animal product, so if you eat any animal products, don't call yourself vegan. Labels matter. The label "vegan" matters. True vegans know that the word "vegan" is important and has a specific meaning.
Yes, plant-based is not the same thing as vegan and as Silva notes above, this is a vegetarian (not vegan) forum.
08-31-2017 03:55 PM
silva
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Plant based does not equal vegan, and the bottom line is that if you eat animal products, even occasionally, you are not vegan. You might call yourself plant-based, but even that is questionable.

True vegans NEVER consume any animal product, so if you eat any animal products, don't call yourself vegan. Labels matter. The label "vegan" matters. True vegans know that the word "vegan" is important and has a specific meaning.
Right, but this is the 'raising vegetarian children" forum.
I'm actually a fan of the 'mostly vegan" for vegetarians who strive towards being vegan, but still have exceptions. Everyones tolerance and circumstance is different. It can do far more than attempting 100% adherence
08-31-2017 02:13 PM
Necter
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Hi Mountainsblue, I can't comment on your actual question, but would like to respond to the incorrect assertion from the (now deleted) comment that "you are not actually plant-based". Actually, you are. If you would like to describe yourself as "plant based" and you find it a useful way to describe your diet to others, go for it. Plant-based is what it says on the tin, "based" on plants. It doesn't necessarily mean exclusively plant based (though it does for some), it can equally mean primarily plant based (as it also does for others). Welcome to the forum.
Plant based does not equal vegan, and the bottom line is that if you eat animal products, even occasionally, you are not vegan. You might call yourself plant-based, but even that is questionable.

True vegans NEVER consume any animal product, so if you eat any animal products, don't call yourself vegan. Labels matter. The label "vegan" matters. True vegans know that the word "vegan" is important and has a specific meaning.
08-31-2017 08:39 AM
Spudulika
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Originally Posted by Mountainsblue View Post
No I'm not giving myself any labels to make myself feel better. I don't need to do that - I'm happy with who I am already, thanks. I asked a question here because I'm a mother who is learning about a new way of eating and trying to make the best choices for her family. I have many reasons for choosing a (mostly!) plant based diet including management of a chronic illness I have. And yes, the rights of animals is up there too. Personally, I don't feel the need to be militant about labeling myself as a vegan or a vegetarian or anything else. If others feel more strongly about that then that's fine. Each to their own. Cheers for the support.

Hi Mountainsblue, I can't comment on your actual question, but would like to respond to the incorrect assertion from the (now deleted) comment that "you are not actually plant-based". Actually, you are. If you would like to describe yourself as "plant based" and you find it a useful way to describe your diet to others, go for it. Plant-based is what it says on the tin, "based" on plants. It doesn't necessarily mean exclusively plant based (though it does for some), it can equally mean primarily plant based (as it also does for others). Welcome to the forum.
08-31-2017 05:47 AM
Capstan
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Originally Posted by ILuvMyPetz View Post
We have canine teeth for a reason.
Pure mythology. Whoever named those teeth, "canines," wasn't thinking very clearly. Our so-called, canines, are nothing like a dog or wolf's teeth, which are long, round and pointed, good for piercing and holding, as in a hunt. The idea that early men chased down animals and caught them or fought with their teeth is ridiculous. Our so-called canines are flat- shaped like little knives- just right for slicing, perfect for eating, say, a carrot. Whoever named them canines didn't have their head on straight. It would be just as dumb to call them, "felines."
08-31-2017 03:04 AM
Capstan Your kids look to you for guidance. Saying to them, "make up your own mind," seems rather cruel. Remember, it was you who 'forced' them to eat meat in the first place.
08-30-2017 08:43 AM
silva
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I don't advocate forcing vegetarianism or veganism on children or pets ever, they MUST decide that for themselves.
So you just let babies and children fend for themselves? I don't think that works very well.
I fed my kids and they had many foods limited or banned.
I have never known any parent that didn't do the food planning themselves
02-06-2017 09:47 AM
TailFin To reply to a post that no longer exists, but still visible in replies:

Everything is plant-based... or, really, sun-based.

When people like to be extremely literal, then I like to clarify their incorrect statements.
02-06-2017 05:20 AM
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02-05-2017 11:57 PM
Mountainsblue
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Originally Posted by Jamie in Chile View Post
Make sure your kids are getting enough B12, iodine, calcium and Omega 3s by the way. And my apologies if you are already aware of this kind of thing. Calcium is very important for youngsters since that is an age of bone and teeth formation.
Thanks Jamie, both kids are getting enough at present but we will definitely keep an eye on it. I like the idea of only cooking vegetarian or vegan meals and giving them the option of either cooking something for themselves or eating something different when they go out. As it is they've been happy with what I'm been making and haven't asked for meat, so I'll just carry on and see how long I get before they bring it up
02-05-2017 11:54 PM
Mountainsblue
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Originally Posted by Necter View Post
So you are not actually plant-based, you just say you are to feel better about yourself?

If you eat eggs, even occasionally, you are not plant-based. You are not vegan either.
No I'm not giving myself any labels to make myself feel better. I don't need to do that - I'm happy with who I am already, thanks. I asked a question here because I'm a mother who is learning about a new way of eating and trying to make the best choices for her family. I have many reasons for choosing a (mostly!) plant based diet including management of a chronic illness I have. And yes, the rights of animals is up there too. Personally, I don't feel the need to be militant about labeling myself as a vegan or a vegetarian or anything else. If others feel more strongly about that then that's fine. Each to their own. Cheers for the support.
02-05-2017 06:19 PM
Jamie in Chile Make sure your kids are getting enough B12, iodine, calcium and Omega 3s by the way. And my apologies if you are already aware of this kind of thing. Calcium is very important for youngsters since that is an age of bone and teeth formation.
02-05-2017 06:15 PM
Jamie in Chile I have two kids, 10 and 4. Since my wife would prefer they eat meat and I don't, then in reality this will come down to their own decision in the end, for the time being they prefer to eat meat.

In your situation, it is important to ask if both of you adults in the relationship are equally committed to the plant-based diet. If you are, then, although it's a tricky question, I would say it's morally wrong to eat meat and this consideration outranks the other concerns. You wouldn't let your children do something else morally wrong like steal or hit someone for no reason, you wouldn't let them make a choice there, so the same applies here. You wouldn't stand by watching your kids steal things thinking "Oh, this is something they need to figure out for themselves."

However you could try a vegan household but allow the kids to make their own choices out of the home, this will get them thinking about the issues, and keep educating them, and some kind of choice will allow them to feel less restricted and reduce the chance they rebel away from plant-based diets at a later point in life.

Or you could cook almost always vegan at home but allow them a choice if they cook themselves, this might be better than a flat out prohibition since they won't feel they are eating vegan as much because they are being controlled since in theory they can cook whatever they like but in practice they'd probably just let you cook.

Different solutions work best for different people here. You need to go with your instincts in the end since you know best everyone involved - including yourself. Therefore, you can judge best for yourself of course if any parts of this advice are helpful or not. Good luck.
02-05-2017 04:10 PM
David3 Does anyone have experience with this situation?
02-04-2017 07:41 PM
Mountainsblue
Freedom of choice?

Hello

My husband and I have been eating a plant based diet for the last 8 months (meat and dairy free, with the occasional egg from our own very pampered chickens). We have two children ages 12.5 and 9. The 9 year old is a big meat lover but has been doing well with my vegan meals. The older one isn't really into meat so much, but does like the junky stuff like sausages and bacon. My approach to this transition has been to talk to them both about why we are making this change and to drastically reduce the amount of meat I cook for them. They're eating meat every 3 - 4 weeks now, unless they're out or at a friend's place.

The more I learn about the way animals are treated and the health benefits of a plant based diet, the less I want to have meat in the house or cook it for the kids. I don't want anything to do with it. However, I also want to support my kids in making their own decisions and if they chose to be vegetarian or vegan, I would like that to be something they come to on their own. I feel torn.

I don't have any vegan friends, and the vegetarian families I know all cook meat for their one or two meat eaters. I'm interested to learn what other families do when they come to vegetarianism or veganism later, when their kids are older. If they were babies I would just start them off plant based, but since they're older it's trickier.

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