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01-19-2016 02:40 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by ShadowKat View Post
I saw a recent ad for dairy that made sure to just point out the protein content of it vs almond milk. They of course didn't compare it to some other plant milks, as many of them have the same or nearly the same amount of protein as cows' milk. These sick, murdering, greedy, selfish corporate thugs sicken me!

</rant>

That seems unethical because even the government programs for welfare, for children, recommend soy milk, always, because of the protein content so to use almond milk seems like an appeal or a ploy to bring paleo types back. ...since paleos also avoid dairy, but are obsessed with protein.
01-19-2016 02:37 PM
Thalassa4
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl View Post
The dairy industry is slowly dying, with the wealth of new and delicious dairy alternatives and the amount of people concerned about cruelty or just with food intolerances I feel it's only a matter of time.

The problem is politics. ...like with big oil and coal, it's not that we lack alternatives, or that genuine capitalism could not make the competition more fair...but the competition isn't fair and real capitalism hasn't existed, not in the United States at least, for a very long time - and no I don't mean because of social programs but because of corporate welfare and special interests, like dairy.

It's why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. Not to get off topic, but really the beef and dairy industry is a mafia.
01-18-2016 03:57 PM
Vegan Dave GOT MILK used to be for the calcium.....now the ads say it's for the "protein".

GMAB.

Cow's milk is for.......baby COWS.
01-17-2016 12:38 PM
Werewolf Girl The dairy industry is slowly dying, with the wealth of new and delicious dairy alternatives and the amount of people concerned about cruelty or just with food intolerances I feel it's only a matter of time.
01-17-2016 08:03 AM
silva
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
I think you are thinking I am going to make tofu? I am actually planning to make soy yogurt. I couldn't find a yogurt maker/machine anywhere, so I am following the directions on a site and using a lukewarm oven to incubate it. The directions call for heating the carton of soy milk in a sauce pan until it reaches a certain heat (I have a thermometer) and mixing in a thickener such as agar, then letting it cool just until it reaches 110 F. Then I add in my vegan yogurt starter/probiotics and pour the mixture into a glass container. I am supposed to heat the oven, and then let it cool until it is lukewarm and put the jar in the oven for 8 or 9 hours keeping the door closed so it can incubate. I have heard it doesn't get as thick as store bought yogurt, though some people have more success than others. I do have calcium powder and vegan vitamin D drops I can add to the finished yogurt. But the calcium sulfate looks interesting! I just looked it up on Amazon.com and it is used to make tofu. I might have to look into that stuff! Thanks!

ETA: I am thinking of using a crockpot on the warm setting instead of the oven for a more even and consistant warmth over a long period of time. I would put the whole glass jar of yogurt mixture in it. Not sure if this would work though?
I sure do have a way of having words in my head that aren't on paper, whether reading or writing!
I'd love to make soy yogurt! I've tried the thermos method with no success at all- probably wasn't sterile? My oven light doesn't seem to give off any heat like blogs say. I'd like to know your experience!
01-16-2016 06:57 PM
Naturebound
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
But if you use calcium sulfate (gypsum) as a coagulant you get a LOT of calcium! According to nutritionfacts it's 89% for a half cup!
https://www.house-foods.com/uploads/omegatofu_firm.jpg

And I know people say "raw" for cold tofu, but for those not familiar I want to note that no soy product is ever raw. Soy beans have to be cooked at a high tempurature to kill the enzymes (or something like that)

@Naturebound _ Please come back to tell about your tofu experience! I have a soy milk machine and have only done it twice. It takes so much milk! But it is the BEST I've ever had! I used epsom salts, would like to try gypsum
I think you are thinking I am going to make tofu? I am actually planning to make soy yogurt. I couldn't find a yogurt maker/machine anywhere, so I am following the directions on a site and using a lukewarm oven to incubate it. The directions call for heating the carton of soy milk in a sauce pan until it reaches a certain heat (I have a thermometer) and mixing in a thickener such as agar, then letting it cool just until it reaches 110 F. Then I add in my vegan yogurt starter/probiotics and pour the mixture into a glass container. I am supposed to heat the oven, and then let it cool until it is lukewarm and put the jar in the oven for 8 or 9 hours keeping the door closed so it can incubate. I have heard it doesn't get as thick as store bought yogurt, though some people have more success than others. I do have calcium powder and vegan vitamin D drops I can add to the finished yogurt. But the calcium sulfate looks interesting! I just looked it up on Amazon.com and it is used to make tofu. I might have to look into that stuff! Thanks!

ETA: I am thinking of using a crockpot on the warm setting instead of the oven for a more even and consistant warmth over a long period of time. I would put the whole glass jar of yogurt mixture in it. Not sure if this would work though?
01-16-2016 12:50 PM
silva
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Originally Posted by Naturebound View Post
I just bought a carton of organic soymilk to make homemade soy yogurt. Ingredients? See for yourself:

http://www.westsoymilk.com/products/...eetened-plain/

Yup, TWO ingredients lol. And 9 grams of protein, though I suppose someone will jump on the fact that there is no calcium in it either. Sighs.

I could jump on the fact that dairy milk requires fortified vitamin D to be added to it (this does not come naturally with any milk).

I could jump on the fact that even "natural" organic grass fed cows milk requires unnatural manipulation of the cow to produce enough milk to make their business profitable, and that her calves will be denied that milk so it can be diverted to humans.

I could jump on the fact that there will be more and more deforestation and displacement of wildlife for land for farm animal grazing in order to supply this demand for dairy milk. And that raising cattle places one of the greatest demands on our use of water, a precious resource we all need.

I could argue that milk is a very common allergen for many people, and that in many parts of the world people can't even digest it.

I could argue that nations that are heavy milk drinkers also have some of the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world.

I could argue that even the world renowned Mayo clinic advised my partner cut down on his intake of dairy due to high cholesterol, and to help with his rheumatoid arthritis.
But if you use calcium sulfate (gypsum) as a coagulant you get a LOT of calcium! According to nutritionfacts it's 89% for a half cup!
https://www.house-foods.com/uploads/omegatofu_firm.jpg

And I know people say "raw" for cold tofu, but for those not familiar I want to note that no soy product is ever raw. Soy beans have to be cooked at a high tempurature to kill the enzymes (or something like that)

@Naturebound _ Please come back to tell about your tofu experience! I have a soy milk machine and have only done it twice. It takes so much milk! But it is the BEST I've ever had! I used epsom salts, would like to try gypsum
01-16-2016 08:56 AM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by Wolf_Whistle View Post
... They must think milk grows in tetrapacks on supermarkets then...

After explaining the reality about why cows produce milk, you could ask them 'How would you feel if they kept you captive on some place, way too tight for comfort, and milked you nonstop everyday for hours and hours'?
And raped you every year, and stole not only your milk, but your baby, turning the female calf into another milking machine, and her brothers into the absolute horror of veal. And then when your milk production drops, they send you to a gory slaughterhouse death.
01-16-2016 08:38 AM
Wolf_Whistle
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Originally Posted by no whey jose View Post
People often ask me why I don't drink milk or eat cheese or ice cream, when it doesn't require the death of an animal.
... They must think milk grows in tetrapacks on supermarkets then...

After explaining the reality about why cows produce milk, you could ask them 'How would you feel if they kept you captive on some place, way too tight for comfort, and milked you nonstop everyday for hours and hours'?
01-16-2016 06:28 AM
dormouse
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Originally Posted by LedBoots View Post
In the US, the dairy industry has a lot of political clout. There will always be milk forced on public schoolchildren, and it won't be soy.

I am worried. Already I in the grocery I see these "designer" cow milks (added protein, other stupidity) taking up shelfspace that used to be for plant milk.
For what it's worth, I've noticed plant milks taking more and more space at my grocery stores. Those stupid designer dairy things are there too, but the plant milk space is expanding rapidly. And the section of vegan cheese/meat substitutes is growing, especially at Whole Foods.
01-16-2016 04:21 AM
Naturebound I just bought a carton of organic soymilk to make homemade soy yogurt. Ingredients? See for yourself:

http://www.westsoymilk.com/products/...eetened-plain/

Yup, TWO ingredients lol. And 9 grams of protein, though I suppose someone will jump on the fact that there is no calcium in it either. Sighs.

I could jump on the fact that dairy milk requires fortified vitamin D to be added to it (this does not come naturally with any milk).

I could jump on the fact that even "natural" organic grass fed cows milk requires unnatural manipulation of the cow to produce enough milk to make their business profitable, and that her calves will be denied that milk so it can be diverted to humans.

I could jump on the fact that there will be more and more deforestation and displacement of wildlife for land for farm animal grazing in order to supply this demand for dairy milk. And that raising cattle places one of the greatest demands on our use of water, a precious resource we all need.

I could argue that milk is a very common allergen for many people, and that in many parts of the world people can't even digest it.

I could argue that nations that are heavy milk drinkers also have some of the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world.

I could argue that even the world renowned Mayo clinic advised my partner cut down on his intake of dairy due to high cholesterol, and to help with his rheumatoid arthritis.
01-16-2016 03:55 AM
Spudulika
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Originally Posted by silva View Post
It would be good to see more of that 'DHA algal oil' added to these kinds of vegan products. The salad on the packet looks really good. Reminds me that I haven't done a raw tofu salad for a while.
01-15-2016 04:20 PM
silva
01-15-2016 04:19 PM
LedBoots
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Originally Posted by David3 View Post
Don't worry - the plant milk industry (and especially the soymilk industry) won't take this lying down.

Remember, soy food companies are wealthy! They had the money to afford advertising with Dreamworks Pictures (see image below), and so they've got the money to afford a counterattack campaign against the dairy industry.

In the US, the dairy industry has a lot of political clout. There will always be milk forced on public schoolchildren, and it won't be soy.

I am worried. Already I in the grocery I see these "designer" cow milks (added protein, other stupidity) taking up shelfspace that used to be for plant milk.
01-15-2016 01:27 PM
David3
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Originally Posted by ShadowKat View Post
I saw a recent ad for dairy that made sure to just point out the protein content of it vs almond milk. They of course didn't compare it to some other plant milks, as many of them have the same or nearly the same amount of protein as cows' milk. These sick, murdering, greedy, selfish corporate thugs sicken me!

</rant>
Don't worry - the plant milk industry (and especially the soymilk industry) won't take this lying down.

Remember, soy food companies are wealthy! They had the money to afford advertising with Dreamworks Pictures (see image below), and so they've got the money to afford a counterattack campaign against the dairy industry.

01-15-2016 01:14 PM
ShadowKat I saw a recent ad for dairy that made sure to just point out the protein content of it vs almond milk. They of course didn't compare it to some other plant milks, as many of them have the same or nearly the same amount of protein as cows' milk. These sick, murdering, greedy, selfish corporate thugs sicken me!

</rant>
01-15-2016 10:08 AM
bldudas Ugh, and there will be people who believe everything the milk industry says.

So disgusting. I can't believe I supported that for years.
01-15-2016 08:11 AM
David3 The soymilk industry is big business. If they're smart, they'll launch their own ad campaign to counteract what the dairy industry is doing.
01-14-2016 03:25 PM
Purp
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Originally Posted by Nooch View Post
Ick, milk. I cannot believe I used to guzzle that stuff down without a second thought. I work in a job that brings me into contact with several farmers and lots of public, so I slip in the truth whenever I can in the name of honesty and openness... it doesn't make me a lot of farmer friends but I love the look on people's faces when you state the facts!
The next time this happens, please video it and post it on YouTube. Thanks.
01-13-2016 10:30 AM
Kiwibird08 Good lord. Just reading that milk article made me want to

• Milk is a nutrient powerhouse – and it’s not just for kids.

Like all mammals, humans are designed to consume human milk during infancy and wean off it shortly after they are able to consume solid foods. No other mammal naturally drinks milk into adulthood, and especially not the milk of another animal that is very different to them. I suppose the only possible application of using other animal milks for infants is rare instances breastmilk isn't an option and plant milk isn't either, but it still isn't necessary past infancy.

• Milk is a real, wholesome and local product from family farms across the nation.

If by "local family farm" they mean "industrial factory that happens to be nearby" then ok. I wonder for every "happy cow" on an actual small farm with room to graze and roam ext... how many other very unhappy cows are chained up with hundreds of others in a milking barn?

• Milk contains a lot that’s good, without the “bad” that some people think (like excess calories and fat)

Perhaps arguable if talking about raw, unpasteurized milk straight from the animal, but milk from the store is white water contaminated by pus, bovine growth hormones and antibiotics *possibly* with a little processed fat and protein leftover after processing and some ADDED synthetic vitamins.

• Milk is simple – especially compared to non-dairy milks that can have more than 10 ingredients.

Not my non dairy milk! 2 ingredients- hemp seeds and water (or occasionally, soybeans and water). I wonder what bottom of the barrel plant milk they found with 10 ingredients, or are they talking about flavored plant milks (if so, how many ingredients does flavored cows milk contain? You know, to make it a fair comparison).

• Milk provides high-quality protein (almond and other non-dairy milks may have just 1 gram of protein).

I am unsure what brand they are referring to, but I just googled "Silk original unsweetened soy milk" (pretty sure that's a common enough brand) and there is 7 grams of protein per cup whereas dairy milk has 8 grams. Wow, what a whopping difference What the dairy industry did fail to mention is that regular soy milk has only 80 calories per cup, dairy milk has 83 calories in non-fat, but a whopping 148 in whole fat.
01-13-2016 10:26 AM
Nooch Ick, milk. I cannot believe I used to guzzle that stuff down without a second thought. I work in a job that brings me into contact with several farmers and lots of public, so I slip in the truth whenever I can in the name of honesty and openness... it doesn't make me a lot of farmer friends but I love the look on people's faces when you state the facts!
01-13-2016 10:05 AM
no whey jose
#MilkTruth #GetReal

In response to the news that the US dairy industry has launched a campaign to tell people the "truth" about milk (i.e. aggressive advertisement) as seen here:
http://www.agweb.com/mobile/article/...-jim-dickrell/

You can share my status or write your own truth about the dairy industry and share on social media. Be sure to make your post public and include the hashtags "#MilkTruth" and "#GetReal." Let's flood social media with the ACTUAL truth about the dairy industry.

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Apparently the US dairy industry is launching the #GetReal social media campaign to combat declining dairy sales and the growing popularity of cruelty-free alternatives like soy and oat milk.

Well, it doesn't get much realer than veal.

Veal is a term for the meat of calves confined to crates and slaughtered before they're a year old. Because dairy cows, like humans, only produce milk after giving birth, it is necessary for dairy farmers to repeatedly inseminate them to keep production up. There are about 9 million dairy cows in the United States alone, and dairy cows give birth once a year. That's 9 million pregnancies annually. Have you ever wondered what happens to all those babies?

To avoid accusations of bias, this information comes directly from the website of the Ontario Veal Association (although this practice is by no means unique to Canada):

"Most people do not realize that veal is produced from male (bull) dairy calves. On a dairy farm, these bull calves are not needed for replenishing the milking herd because they cannot produce milk. All dairy cows must give birth to a calf each year to provide the milk that we drink. Approximately 50% of all calves born are [bull calves]."

People often ask me why I don't drink milk or eat cheese or ice cream, when it doesn't require the death of an animal. The truth is that it requires the death of millions of animals-- baby animals, no less. The dairy industry might not want us to think of dead babies when we look at a carton of milk, but they should be upfront about this information if they're going to encourage us to #GetReal.

If you're interested in cutting down on your milk consumption in 2016 and need help or advice, feel free to message me. It's absolutely possible to live a healthy, happy life without dairy. Ask about my favourite recipe for creamy garlic pasta! 😊🐮🌱

#MilkTruth #DitchDairy #Veganuary

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