[greensgood]

We are getting closer to election day and I am curious to know opinions on what might happen w/ proposition 2? the last poll i saw was 55% for yes, 7% undecided 38% for no...
i have high hopes and plan on distributing material at the local universities when classes start...what else can we do to make sure people vote yes?



p.s. also looks like prop 8 is going to be a close one too...

[RoboMonkey]

38% no? Who would vote no??

[greensgood]

i wondered that too: http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/
people who vote might vote no think that the restrictions will cause farms to close and they will have to get their animal products from out of state or mexico. they also think that prices of the animal products will increase (they should anyway for the expense our planet takes to produce and transport them). the whole "safe" campaign is very ridiculous, apparently when you let animals walk around they happen to walk around in poop, which opposers think is not safe, however it sounds better than sitting in the poop for extended amounts of time and never moving, which is what a lot do now...

mostly i think people might vote no because they have no idea how their animal products are produced.

[Eleven]

Considering the amount of opposition, it's hard to believe how little the bill asks of the citizens of California.

And even if it passes, it doesn't go into effect for more than 6 years.

The provisions of sections 25990, 2599 1, 25992, 25993, and 25994 shall become
operative on January 1, 2015.

[greensgood]

actually the time lapse is to give the farms a chance to change so that they are not forced to close down right away to adhere to the new specifications.
it is a positive point that the date is in the future because one of the main reasons people do not want this to pass is b/c it might drive business out of the state, however with the future date this is less likely to happen, so it is good.

[imthebaker]

i saw a pamphlet for prop 2 at the farmers market and was so excited. But i can't vote until march, hopefully it passes...

[greensgood]

really great video for prop 2!:

http://uncaged.yesonprop2.com/

[Amy SF]

greensgood said:

i wondered that too: http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/
people who vote might vote no think that the restrictions will cause farms to close and they will have to get their animal products from out of state or mexico. they also think that prices of the animal products will increase (they should anyway for the expense our planet takes to produce and transport them). the whole "safe" campaign is very ridiculous, apparently when you let animals walk around they happen to walk around in poop, which opposers think is not safe, however it sounds better than sitting in the poop for extended amounts of time and never moving, which is what a lot do now...

mostly i think people might vote no because they have no idea how their animal products are produced.

I got my official election guide in the mail yesterday, and saw the yes and no arguments. I had to take a deep breath after reading the no argument. I swear it looks like something written for SNL or The Daily Show. It has to be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever read in an election guide. :dizzy:

[gingerlove]

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?

[SomebodyElse]

gingerlove said:

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?

Yes, I am sure this will happen. People who vote for this will feel that they have earned their "brownie points" and deserve not to have to "deny themselves" anymore. Lots of so-called vegetarians revert to eating meat when they convince themselves that the animals are being treated "well".

But I don't see this as a reason to vote no.