Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Europe, FN
Looks good. I like borscht. However, where is the protein? Potatoes and tomatoes have a bit, but there is not much, really. If I ate that for dinner, I would remain hungry and would have to eat something else that had significant protein, thus consuming too many calories for the day. So, what can be added? Chickpeas? Some type of faux meat?
Also, I am a vegetarian but eat vegan almost all of the time, so I'd replace the butter with a vegan substitute, like Earth Balance, and the cream with coconut cream.
I honestly feel your obsession with protein is unfounded. You could add more potatoes (skin on) and use Tofutti sour cream (tofu base) instead of dairy or coconut cream, with the fresh dill topping. I've made borscht for multiple people. It's a specialty of mine, and as long as you include enough potatoes and sour cream you should be fine on protein. If you must add something, I would suggest browned seitan, rather than tofu or faux meats, because borscht is such a natural healthy dish and seitan such a complimentary protein (though Tofutti sour cream should be fine either way).
So you claim that I have an "obsession" with protein because I say the dish doesn't have enough protein for me, and solicit ideas for how to boost it. Just wow. You know what: if you don't want any more protein in your borscht, feel free not to add it. I, however, do. That's the good thing about food choices. We all have the ability to eat what we want and in the way we want, and when we eat vegan, doing so doesn't harm animals.
In any event, I would prefer more protein in borscht, and that's non-negotiable. A bowl of the borscht in the originally described recipe probably has no more than around 5-10 grams of protein (just an educated guess, from looking at the ingredients). I'd actually guess the low end of this range, so closer to 5. Not sure how that would be a satisfying dinner for anyone, even if two or three bowls were consumed. I usually like to get 50 grams protein at dinner, minimum. I'm very tall, and I usually get around 20 grams protein at breakfast, 25 grams protein at lunch, and 50 grams protein at dinner, for a total of 95 grams per day. That's around 15-20% above the bare minimum RDA for protein for someone of my height (again, tall) and my weight. And anyway, I'm the type of person who feels satisfied only if a meal has a substantial amount of protein. If you're not, so be it, but I am.
As for the type of protein, I guess seitan would be an option, but I'd generally lean more toward chickpeas or tofu, because they're a better grade of protein and, in the case of chickpeas, have fiber. However, seitan is an option I hadn't considered, so maybe I should give it a try. As for faux meats, I'd have no problem using them here, except I'm not sure that any of the faux meats that I'm aware of would be a great compliment to borscht. Field Roast Italian sausage is the best idea I'm can think of when it comes to faux meats, but even it I'm not sure about.
I looked it up and find it can be served hot or cold. I've never had it, but it sounds like something I might like hot-I don't like cold 'soups'. I was served gazpacho once and it was just a chunky drink
Do you guys have it hot or cold?
And seriously @Dilettante , you made a big deal of "where's the protein?", I think it was pretty reasonable for someone to reply that it wasn't a big deal. The RDA guidelines for protein are .8 grams per 2 lbs of body weight.
I recently started tracking my nutrients and diet and was surprised to see I'm normally getting between 60 and 75 without any thought. Everything has protein so don't dismiss potatoes or other veggies
I will say I see no reason not to include some kind of bean or dal here if it's a hot soup
"We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict the Devil in human form." - William Ralphe Inge
I really don't care how tall you are, you eat more than TWICE the daily recommended amount of protein for an adult and yeah that looks like an obsession to me when you're trying to correct someone else's recipe. You could eat the soup with dark brown bread and something else, instead of spoiling a perfectly delicious soup.
With all due respect, it seems that it's you who has a dislike of protein, not me who has an "obsession" about it, and it seems that, for some reason, you're upset that I asked about this. Also, please note that I didn't criticize the recipe. I simply asked how the protein could be bolstered, and most of what I've heard since asking the question is criticism of me for asking, rather than non-judgmental suggestions as to how to bolster the protein.
Also, you claim that I'm getting twice the recommended amount of protein, but this is not actually correct. Recommended protein intake is determined based on kilograms of lean body weight.
In particular, the minimum Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) of protein is 0.8 grams protein per kilogram of lean body weight. See this link, for example:
I weigh about 210 pounds and am fairly lean (because, as noted, I'm tall). Converting pounds to kilograms, I weigh about 94 kilograms. 94 * 0.8 ==> 75 grams protein per day minimum for someone of my height and weight. If I were to eat less than that, not only would it be bad for my long-term health, but I wouldn't feel good.
However, there is more to the story. In reality, the 0.8 gram figure is a minimum, and 0.9 or 1.0 would be better and safer for anyone on a vegan diet. See, for example, this page written by vegan nutritionist Jack Norris:
He goes through a detailed analysis and concludes that "So where does all this research leave us? The results are compiled in Table 2. It is not obvious what they indicate for the protein needs of vegans, but an estimate is that vegans might benefit from 1.0 to 1.1 g/kg of protein. What is really needed is nitrogen balance studies on actual vegans."
For older people, 60 and up, even more protein is recommended.
The bottom line is the following: at my height and weight, 95 grams per day of protein is safe and conservative, not extreme, and certainly not twice as much protein as I should be consuming. Moreover, I would rather err on the side of a bit too much protein, than not enough, because any excess protein is simply eliminated. No harm. It's only when you get massive amounts of protein, like 250 grams per day or more, that there might be some strain on the kidneys, and even that's debatable.
But no, the 95 or so grams per day of protein that I'm getting is really a quite reasonable amount, and I wouldn't want to go any lower for health reasons, nor would I feel full if I did so.