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#1 Old 02-13-2006, 10:41 PM
 
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Has anyone else experienced moderate to severe depression while restricting their calories? I've lost a lot of weight and am trying to keep it off and possibly lose a little more, but these days the more I cut my calories the worse I feel. Yesterday I ran 12 miles and took in 2000 calories, but by the end of the day I was really down. This is a pretty predictable occurrence - any time I run a lot distance and I don't eat more than usual, I get really emotional, sort of like when I have low blood sugar (which could very well be the case, I suppose). Has anyone else felt this? What do you do to fix it, just eat more? I'm wondering, too, if it's not a lack of calories but rather a deficiency in something else. I've read that in low fat diets sometimes you lack EFA's, but I don't really know where to get those except for flax seed and walnuts... A little help?
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#2 Old 02-14-2006, 07:07 AM
 
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you ran 12 miles!!!! I would think if you are excersing that intensely you'd need more than 2000 calories a day. I'm not a doc though...wow 12 miles I don't think I would willingly walk 12 miles.
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LOL. But I run marathons, so this kind of training is (somewhat) normal for me. Which makes me wonder if I need many more calories to do it. I mean, I'm sure I need SOME more calories to cover the expenditure, but having done these distances so many times I wonder if my body has gotten efficient enough to deal with it? Though according to my blues at the end of the day, I guess not...
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I would say you need to eat more, you're burning a LOT of calories by running 12 miles! (I had a quick poke around the interweb and it looks like over 1100, which only leaves you with 900 to live on!)



Have you tried eating more to see if it makes you feel better?
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#5 Old 02-14-2006, 10:09 AM
 
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Try having a high carbohydrate snack at about 3:15 in the afternoon. Carbohydrates help in serotonin production, which affect your mood.
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#6 Old 02-14-2006, 10:20 AM
 
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well I admire you I've always wanted to run a marathon but I'm in no shape to do so sorry off topic
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#7 Old 02-14-2006, 11:39 AM
 
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berrykat - thanks! 3 years ago I could have said the same thing. The only difference was persistence, so you could do it too. Chase down your dream.



Well, I only did 10 mi this morning but it's still enough usually to trigger a late-day depression, so I'll try that carb in mid-afternoon. Maybe I'll start adding in a few more calories, too? I'm a little paranoid about weight-gain.
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#8 Old 02-14-2006, 12:29 PM
 
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whoah.. i fyou're burning 1100 calories just running, your BRAIN just your BRAIN needs 900 calories of CARBS daily.. you've met your requirements just THERE..



you need MORE, hun..
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#9 Old 02-14-2006, 05:45 PM
 
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I agree with the first answer-- If you are running 12 miles it is way too little calories-- considering you need about 1500 to 1700 of that 2000 to just run basic systems like breathing, and digestion + a few hundred for unconsious activities like twitching, gesturing etc. 1 mile burns about 100 cals so you are probablyat least 1200+- in the red. Obviously your body is trying to tell you something. Maybe you ought to seek a trained medical professional like sports doctor to try to help you plan a better diet.
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Hemp seeds, hemp seed oil, dark leafy greens and algae are other vegan sources of Omega-3's. The chickens that produce the "Omega-3 Eggs" are fed algae.
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#11 Old 02-14-2006, 08:07 PM
 
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Ok, so I hear you loud and clear: eat more. I will try to do that.

Thanks for the omega-3 sources too, by the way.
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#12 Old 02-14-2006, 10:58 PM
 
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I think you need more calories. I would say at least 2500- because your exercise alone on that day probably burned off 1200 calories, leaving you with 1300, which is probably still a low number.
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>>just your BRAIN needs 900 calories of CARBS>>



It's my understanding that the brain is an extremely glucose-intensive aparatus.



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#14 Old 02-15-2006, 09:13 PM
 
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berrykat - thanks! 3 years ago I could have said the same thing. The only difference was persistence, so you could do it too. Chase down your dream.



Well, I only did 10 mi this morning but it's still enough usually to trigger a late-day depression, so I'll try that carb in mid-afternoon. Maybe I'll start adding in a few more calories, too? I'm a little paranoid about weight-gain.





I wish I could run 10 miles a day-don't have the time. You definitely won't gain weight eating normally if you run 10 miles a day. Another thought-maybe your'e overexercising? Your body has a way of letting you know that it's being overworked. Try doing something else-yoga, pilates, weights....
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>>just your BRAIN needs 900 calories of CARBS>>



It's my understanding that the brain is an extremely glucose-intensive aparatus.



ebola



yeppers. you get glucose from your body breaking down carbs, as it was explained to me..



if i'm wrong, please correct me //hates being misinformed. (no sarcams, I really do)
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I wish I could run 10 miles a day-don't have the time. You definitely won't gain weight eating normally if you run 10 miles a day. Another thought-maybe your'e overexercising? Your body has a way of letting you know that it's being overworked. Try doing something else-yoga, pilates, weights....



Hmm...maybe if I just ran a little less for a while? Running is the only exercise I really enjoy. I find that when I try to do other things as cross training they just kind of...don't get done. I'm a little undisciplined that way. How would I know if I'm overexercising? I mean, I know how to look for overuse injuries and stuff like that - I've been running for 5 years. But are there other symptoms to look for?
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#17 Old 02-16-2006, 11:10 AM
 
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Depression is a symptom of overtraining. I love to run-I ran my first 5K two weeks ago, and will do my next on March 18. But I make myself take days off. It makes a big difference to my overall health and well being. Your body needs a break to regenerate.

Have you tried rollerblading? Rollerskating? I hope I am not insulting you, but maybe you have a little compulsive thing going on there. I've been there-it took me a long time to be able to take days off. Take today. My daughter wears an insulin pump which broke this morning. We have to wait at home for the company to deliver another one. I desperately wanted to go to Pilates today, but that won't be possible. A year or so ago, I would have had a fit. But I did a spinning class yesterday, and will have a run on the treadmill tomorrow. You're not going to lose your competitive edge by having a break-in fact, you'll be better.
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#18 Old 02-16-2006, 09:35 PM
 
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healthnut, I'll be the first to admit I have some compulsivity when it comes to exercise. After having been sooooo overweight at one time, I'm often very afraid to stop exercising - it's almost superstitious: because I attribute my weightloss to exercise, the minute I stop exercising I'm afraid I'll gain weight again. But I actually took yesterday and today off, for reasons beyond my control, and I still ate normally (which is new! I used to seriously cut cals if I couldn't exercise, just for "insurance."). So I've made a deal with myself that I will experiment a little: if I gain weight over the next three weeks when I take 1-2 days off, then maybe I'm justified in being so compulsive. But I really doubt that will happen, since when I look back in my running logs at times when I took a little while off (even up to 3 weeks at one time, when I had surgery) I never gained weight - at least not over the long term. If I stop and make myself think about the big picture I realize I don't need to be so obsessive about things. So depression can be a symptom of overtraining? That would make a lot of sense. I'm going to give myself permission to cut back a little over the next couple weeks then, maybe only do 35-40 mpw rather than feeling like the 40 mpw is the minimum I should do. Siiiigh...I feel better already, considering I'll only be able to do 40 mi this week anyway (due to time constraints).
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Yes, depression is a key symptom of over-training. More info available at

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/i.../aa040600a.htm
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#20 Old 02-17-2006, 08:09 AM
 
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I'm glad you're giving yourself permission to cut back a bit. I think you'll find a big difference in your mood. Good luck!
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#21 Old 02-17-2006, 09:07 AM
 
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Yes, depression is a key symptom of over-training. More info available at

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/i.../aa040600a.htm



Oh, man! Do I ever have those symptoms. @#&%. Ok, so, cutting back is a good idea...have to convince myself of this... I must admit that after 2 days off, and a little bit of a walk last night (walked home from work when my ride didn't show), my run this morning of 7 miles felt reaaaaallly good and pretty easy. Lately it's been hard to get myself on the treadmill or out on the road, even though I enjoy running. This morning I had very little trouble getting out there. Thanks guys, you've been extremely helpful. Since it felt so good, the trick now will be in keeping myself from going back to my overtraining ways.
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