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#1 Old 12-14-2005, 11:45 AM
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At what temperature does a cat feel cold - couple of outdoor cats born this past Summer are being fed by my neighbor and I wondered how they can handle the weather - their mother survived last winter but she is not around anymore after caring for them for a few months. It pains me to see them all the time as the temperature her in NJ is in the teens. My wife is allergic so I cant take them or I would have. One other question....do cats get water from their food? Also do they find heat around houses or cars? I cant get these two kitties off my mind.



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Too dangerous for them at night in those temps if you ask me.
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I live in one of the warmest areas of the country so I can't help with the temperature question, although if it's snowing I'd personally be concerned if they were my cats.



About the food - there's moisture in canned food, if that's what they're being fed daily, but if it's dry food, then they're probably not getting enough water to stay hydrated. (Cats die faster from dehydration than from starvation, I've read). Ideally, regardless of what they're being fed, there should always be a bowl of fresh water available for them.



Oh, I just saw the rest of your post. Cats are known for finding refuge from the cold in and around cars, in wheel wells, underneath the car, elsewhere in the car. That's why people who have outdoor cats take care (or should) to check their cars before starting the car and driving off. Cats have also been found under the hoods of car and trucks.



They can also take refuge under decks and patios, and under the houses themselves.

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I can't help you with your question... but welcome to VB.
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At what temperature does a cat feel cold - couple of outdoor cats born this past Summer are being fed by my neighbor and I wondered how they can handle the weather - their mother survived last winter but she is not around anymore after caring for them for a few months. It pains me to see them all the time as the temperature her in NJ is in the teens. My wife is allergic so I cant take them or I would have. One other question....do cats get water from their food? Also do they find heat around houses or cars? I cant get these two kitties off my mind.



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I'd check with a local rescue group and see if they can take them in. Many rescue groups are already full, but kittens are in high demand so they will often accept kittens. Since you said they were born last summer, I'm assuming they're still fairly young. If a neighbor is feeding them then maybe she can take them inside and foster them while the rescue group finds them a home. At the very least, if no rescue groups or foster homes open up then I would contact a feral cat rescue group. If no homes are found for the kitties and they are to end up living outdoors as feral cats, then they need to be spayed/neutered so they don't have multiple litters of their own.



I know that didn't answer your question, but please look into helping the cats. Otherwise they'll either end up hurt/dead or multiply and produce more homeless cats.
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At what temperature does a cat feel cold - couple of outdoor cats born this past Summer are being fed by my neighbor and I wondered how they can handle the weather - their mother survived last winter but she is not around anymore after caring for them for a few months. It pains me to see them all the time as the temperature her in NJ is in the teens. My wife is allergic so I cant take them or I would have. One other question....do cats get water from their food? Also do they find heat around houses or cars? I cant get these two kitties off my mind.



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I always feel that if I'm too cold, then they probably are. I'm super sentisive to animals though. I hate to see them out in extreme temps!
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Do you know if these cats are friendly or feral. Be very careful about taking stray cats into the home. You have to be careful about handling them so the person isn't scratched or bitten. If the cats/kittens are taken into a home, quarantine them and get them to a vet. Hopefully you have a humane society to contact. The one I volunteer at will come out and assess the kittens and the mother. We trap and then the cats/kittens are taken to the vet and tested for diseases and spayed and neutered. We look at them to see how friendly they are and whether they can be socialized. Lots of times, if they cannot, foster homes will take them and at least they live with shelter (even if it is outside) and there is a steady food supply. We do trap and spay/neuter and release program where the cats/kittens are sent back to where they came from if they are supplied with food and it appears they are healthy.



In the end, my best advice is to try to find a Humane Society to come out or at the very least, talk to someone there, before anyone handles these kittens.
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Thanks for all the feedback. I will look into what my town offers in assistance to animals but I'm in a tricky situation. The neighbor that feeds them daily does act as if they are his, but he feels since they were born in the wild they can fend for themselves for shelter. There is no way the kits are coming in my home. It would either be my wife or them! Besides they will not come near me. They watched me feed them for 2 weeks when the neighbor was on vacation but they still have zero trust in me. I did read somewhere that cats have some unique ability where there skin or there hair changes to adjust to weather conditions. Maybe i can build a small house or something that will help them get by. On a positive note, the temperatures are in the 50's today!
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If he really cares about those kittens he will let a humane society come in and at least look at them. They can be trapped and taken to the vet and get checked out and then spayed/neutered. Then, if he wants to take responsibility for them, fine, they can be released back to where they were taken. My sincere hope is that he understand how cats can multiply and that it is in their (mother and kittens) best interest to be spayed/neutered. If it's possible for the kittens to be socialized - they will live a far far better life in a home as opposed to living on the streets.



I have trapped well over 200 feral cats in 4 years so I know of what I speak.
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Outdoor cats have a very short average lifespan. ...If you want to help them, I would get someone to adopt them ASAP. Maybe put some shredded newspapers in a box for them to sleep on in the porch or garage would help. ...Getting a new wife wouldn't hurt.
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Outdoor cats have a very short average lifespan. ...If you want to help them, I would get someone to adopt them ASAP. Maybe put some shredded newspapers in a box for them to sleep on in the porch or garage would help. ...Getting a new wife wouldn't hurt.



This is unrealistic advice. Cats born in the "wild" are not your average domesticated cats - they need socialization skills and even then, some are just too wild - kittens have a much better chance than adults. IF these cats/kittens can be handled (I have serious doubts they can) then they must be handled with gloves, long sleeves, etc. Feral cats can carry diseases. You cannot just pick these cats up and adopt them out, that would be irresponsible to say the least. They need to be handled by people who have prior experience and they need to be taken to the vet. Believe me, feral cats are nothing to mess with.



As far as his wife, well she has allergies, so that comment is uncalled for.
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Re: the temperature thing ... I have some holiday cards from the Humane Society of the US, and they have winter tips for animals on the backs of them. One of them says that pets should not be out in temps below 20 degrees Fahrenheit, and that short-haired dogs, cats, and puppies should be kept indoors when the temp drops below 40 degrees Fahrenheit. Just thought I would pass along some numbers ...
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I know that with my outdoor cats, they have occasionally been left outside in some pretty severe weather conditions. If I call for them to come and they are not around, there is not much I can do if it's my bedtime. Thankfully they have always been ok. Of course, my cats have a warm, loving home where they are well fed and healthy. I would think that the homeless kitties you speak of are probably more fragile. If you can't get someone to catch them and help them out, I would say that thankfully, someone is feeding them. When I first moved in to my current home, there was a black cat that would come around to my back door every morning and night. I don't know how hold he was, but he lasted for seven years with my just feeding him. He was quite wild, I could never get near enough to touch him. Then he just disappeared. Well, that's my input.

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At what temperature does a cat feel cold - couple of outdoor cats born this past Summer are being fed by my neighbor and I wondered how they can handle the weather - their mother survived last winter but she is not around anymore after caring for them for a few months. It pains me to see them all the time as the temperature her in NJ is in the teens. My wife is allergic so I cant take them or I would have. One other question....do cats get water from their food? Also do they find heat around houses or cars? I cant get these two kitties off my mind.



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cats and kittens have been surviving for many years in the out doors; with out human intervention.

However if you want to bring them indoors to watch them grow; do so.

If you make them used to a human touch it will be easier for you to find homes for them.

You can always make room for them in a room your wife does not go in or even the garage.
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Thanks for all the feedback. I will look into what my town offers in assistance to animals but I'm in a tricky situation. The neighbor that feeds them daily does act as if they are his, but he feels since they were born in the wild they can fend for themselves for shelter. There is no way the kits are coming in my home. It would either be my wife or them! Besides they will not come near me. They watched me feed them for 2 weeks when the neighbor was on vacation but they still have zero trust in me. I did read somewhere that cats have some unique ability where there skin or there hair changes to adjust to weather conditions. Maybe i can build a small house or something that will help them get by. On a positive note, the temperatures are in the 50's today!



We have a large fish net; atch them and put them in a garage.

thay will be wild at first; but they will come around and get more friendly.

Or you can rent a trap from the aspca or humain society.
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We have a large fish net; atch them and put them in a garage.

thay will be wild at first; but they will come around and get more friendly.

Or you can rent a trap from the aspca or humain society.



I think my head is going to explode! These kittens and the mother cat if someone catches her, need to go to a vet before ANYTHING is done with them. It is irresponsible to suggest someone catch them and put them in a garage (or anywhere for that matter) and attempt to socialize them without having them checked out. If someone gets scratched or bitten, they do not know what the cats have. Feral cats can and DO carry diseases.



The bottom line: Educate yourself or anyone attempting to trap these cats prior to doing it.
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I really do appreciate all the info and I'm sure the comment about my wife was made in jest so no offense taken. I do understand Noelson what you are saying about handling them. Again i dont think that will be an issue as they will not allow me near them. I did contact animal rescue in my area and all i was told that I could do is trap them myself, and bring them to a vet to be fixed and that it is cheap. He said if i brought them to a shelter the odds are they would be destroyed, an option I dont personally believe in. By the way I rent an apartment so there is no porch or garage for me to utilize. Nature is not always kind, but in this case as in most cases, there are others less fortunate. Like one person said at least they have food daily.
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I am very happy they are fed and I commend you for worrying about their welfare - it's so much more than alot of ferals get. I have to say though, that some thought should be given to having them spayed or neutered. Cats breed at an enormous rate. A compassionate vet will give a discount or possibly your humane society as a deal with a vet somewhere. Our humane society has a low cost spay/neuter program through a vet. Please consider talking to your neighbour about having them trapped and spayed/neutered - they can then be released back to where you took them from and they will not be reproducing. Trapping cats that have not been trapped before is very easy. I recommend, if possible, to set up more than one trap, it goes quicker and the cats are not as leery right away to go into the trap. Kittens are a cinch.



Thanks again for your compassion - it's heartwarming.
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If you can't get them to the humane society or to a rescue group, what about building a shelter for them? Buy or build a dog-house, and they'll have somewhere to get out of the weather. You can even get something like a heating pad, but designed for outside, that goes in the shelter to keep it warm. Just make sure there's a place inside where the cats can get away from the heater, and set it low, so the only warm place they can get to isn't too hot for them.
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