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#31 Old 06-26-2008, 08:54 AM
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This makes me very sad.
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Farm Sanctuary has been saving some pigs in similar conditions
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Okay.. then you should know how much the pigs weighed, how fast it would take for the tranquilizers to kick in, and how much damage they could do in the meantime. And you must have consulted a veterinarian too..



Since you posted this im assumeing that your not as "uninformed" as the rest of us and did the research that you are suggesting? And you also called the local lawenforcement that shot the pigs and asked them if they also consulted a vet about tanqing the pigs or if they just rolled up saw them and decided to kill them on the spot?
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I'm not the one judging people who were right there trying to save a city.
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What if the pigs had been people? What if it was human beings who were trying to get out of the flood waters and they threatened the integrity of the levee? Would any means to stop them destroying the levee have been okay? I mean after all, what's killing a couple of people compared to saving a town?



Do you know for a fact that all other options were exhausted before this step was taken? Do you know for a fact that vets were consulted? That any measure was considered before they shot the pigs?



Since you seem to know so much about it, why not give us the details that we must be missing?

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Heavy people with hooves aren't scrambling around on top of the levee.



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He said the state veterinarian and other agencies were consulted, and that 10 to 16 animals were killed.



Do you know for a fact that the he's lying?
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Heavy people with hooves aren't scrambling around on top of the levee.



That isn't what I asked. Read what I wrote. If it was 10 to 16 people trying to get onto the levee and their doing so would have threatened the integrity of the levee would killing those people have been acceptable? I am not discussing hooves or the reasons why they may have threatened the integrity of the levee. The given in the situation is that the 10 - 16 people do indeed threaten the integrity of the levee.



In a situation where killing a 10 humans can potentially result in saving the lives and property of 1,000 humans is it acceptable to kill the 10? A simple yes or no will suffice.



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Do you know for a fact that the he's lying?



No, nor have I accused him of lying. Do you know for a fact that the vet was consulted regarding tranquilizing and saving the pigs? Do you know what other agencies were contacted? Do you know what the consultation consisted of? What if they just wanted to know the best place to shoot the pigs to kill them quickly. Your speculation is just as empty as you accuse the speculations of others.

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In a situation where killing a 10 humans can potentially result in saving the lives and property of 1,000 humans is it acceptable to kill the 10? A simple yes or no will suffice.



Well, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...so...yeah....off 'em!
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Your speculation is just as empty as you accuse the speculations of others.



I'm not the one complaining about how they're handling the situation. I figure they're doing what they can to save their city.
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Do they get Livestock Indemnity Program payments for the ones that were shot? I know they don't get anything for capping muskrats. What about the ones handed over to Farm Sanctuary, or do those go down as deductions for non-cash charitable contributions? It's too complicated, this direct agrifare payment scheme vs. deductible charitable contributions. Way too complicated.

Keep on freepin' on

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Okay.. then you should know how much the pigs weighed, how fast it would take for the tranquilizers to kick in, and how much damage they could do in the meantime. And you must have consulted a veterinarian too..

That kind of speculation by a random person on the Internet = worthless.



I will thus replace the quote with something that is more relevant to the issue at hand than speculation by some random person on the Internet:



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Baby love, my baby love

Why must we separate, my love

All of my whole life through

I never loved no one but you

Why you do me like you do

I get this need


"and I stand

upon a mountain

made of weak and useless men"

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Well, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...so...yeah....off 'em!



What if you were one of the few? Would you still be so eager to put your utilitarian morality into practice?



I don't think the issue is this simple. Perhaps we should value human lives less, and "off them" as well, were they somehow unintentionally endangering the city and threatening the needs of the many?



Most people would at least hesitate if they had to actually kill some humans to save many. I think common morality, when it comes to humans, is nowhere near as calculating and... cold.



ETA: And I don't say that, having exhausted every reasonable possibility to save the few, we are not morally excused from killing them. My point is that we are more eager to try other solutions before resorting to killing, if the few are of human origin.
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I saw this story and was really sad for the pigs. I read that before they were killed they were trying to catch stuff to eat that floated by. I wonder how they would have rescued them? What kind of boat would have made it to them that would have held a pig? Was that their only option I wonder.



ETA: you know, whenever I see people sandbagging areas I can't help but think that it's a last ditch effort. I've never witnessed pictures of any place where water didn't win and make it past the sandbags. Do they sandbag to make people feel better? Like they are doing something to fight back? I don't know..it seems like a lost battle to me.
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