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#1 Old 04-04-2004, 02:41 PM
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Peebs posted a link to this article in another section. I've seen a few threads on this subject so thought I'd post this in the news section too.

Should Men Worry About Estrogens in Soy?

Posted: January 15, 2001

As an almost vegan, I consume a lot of soy. As a 21-year-old guy, I was wondering if the estrogen in soy that is so good for women might be doing weird abnormal stuff to me like reducing my testosterone levels. If so, how bad is this? Should I be consuming less soymilk and tofu?

Soybeans contain plant forms of estrogen called phytoestrogens (the chemical name is isoflavones). Phytoestrogens have very weak estrogen-like activity but can also act like antiestrogens, reducing the effects of naturally-produced estrogen. This is one reason that soy might possibly be protective against the development of some types of breast cancer which are stimulated by estrogen.

There is no evidence that men who eat moderate amounts of soy experience any feminizing effects, which is what I am guessing you are concerned about. Certainly we dont see these effects in cultures where daily consumption of soy is common.

There is some evidence that vegetarian men have somewhat lower blood testosterone levels than omnivore men. There are several possible explanations for this. Soy consumption could certainly be one of them but the evidence for this is not very clear. The higher fiber intake of vegetarians could also affect testosterone levels. Also dietary fat and obesity increase testosterone levels and vegetarians tend to eat less fat and be slimmer.

But before you bolt for dinner at the nearest steakhouse, lets put this into perspective. There is no evidence that vegetarian men have testosterone levels that are too low. There is a range of what is normal and as long as you are in that range, there is no advantage to being at the higher end of the range. In fact, being at the lower end of the normal range could have benefits. For example, lower testosterone levels are associated with reduced risk for prostate cancer in some studies. And, not surprisingly, there is evidence that consuming soy reduces risk for prostate cancer. This compares to the situation in women. Evidence suggests that vegetarian women have lower estrogen levelsperhaps for the same reasons noted above for testosterone. And this might help to protect against breast cancer.

Because the average American is a meat-eater, we have a tendency to base our ideas of what is normal or optimal based on what occurs in meat-eaters. Of course, we know that for many things this is not true. For example, "normal" cholesterol levelsthe levels typically seen in meat eatersare too high for good health. The situation for testosterone may be similar. Judging these levels based on those that occur in people eating an unhealthy diet doesnt make sense.
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#2 Old 04-04-2004, 05:28 PM
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Well, estrogen will give you a nice pair of tits.

Personally, I wouldn't worry about it.
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#3 Old 04-04-2004, 06:41 PM
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"...we have a tendency to base our ideas of what is normal or optimal based on what occurs in meat-eaters."

I see this all the time now. This is a huge problem, IMO.

Thanks for posting this article here. I was a little concerned about this also because I have heard about the estrogen effect. I will pass this info on to my male friends.

I wanted to add that a lot of the body builder protien drinks - designed mostly for men - are loaded with soy protien and isn't the epitome of the stereotypical male a muscle bound one- the bigger the more manlyer (is that a word? )
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#4 Old 04-04-2004, 11:36 PM
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No, I don't think it's a worry.
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#5 Old 04-04-2004, 11:52 PM
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I didn't read your whole post but I saw a similar article in the newspaper about this. I really don't think men should worry about it, unless all they ever eat is soy. An unvaried, unbalanced diet will always cause some sort of problem, whether it's eating too much soy, too much meat (if you're an omni I mean) too many nuts or not enough veggies.

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#7 Old 04-06-2004, 11:17 PM
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Well I think its a better idea to look at cultures that eat a lot of soy and see if they have problems. The japanese and other soy rich cultures have a far higher death age and fewer accounts of cancer so doesnt that sorta overide what these guys are saying
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#8 Old 04-07-2004, 01:55 AM
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The japanese don't eat as much soy as I think Westerners think. Zoebird mentioned something like 3g a day, which sounds a little low, but it certainly isn't as much as I eat (closer to 18g or so).
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#9 Old 04-07-2004, 02:21 AM
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A few years back I read a couple scary articles and lowered my soy levels but in the last year they've climbed to well over whatever they used to be!

I don't worry anymore.
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