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#1 Old 02-15-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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I've been away for a week due to my husband having to have emergency angioplasty. He's only 44!

We were told in the hospital that vitamin K, more specifically dark leafy greens were bad in terms of being blood thickeners.

Now you know I've been on a healthy green smoothie, nearly raw diet since just after Christmas and this is a devastating blow to my husband (who loves them) and our family. I didn't get a chance to talk to his heart doc before we left the hospital to confirm that he couldn't consume them. So we are throwing caution to the wind and having him just drink smaller ones (no more than 50 oz. total for the day).

Let me know your thoughts and/or concerns...I'm trying my best to get armed with as much healthy, raw nutritional information that I can so that I am well informed and am best able to do battle with the doctor. Because I know that its going to be a battle since all they like to do is push medications down peoples throats without true regard for the patient.

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#2 Old 02-15-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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Wow Trish very sorry for your scare. I don't know much about the issues here, but I will google and search if I have time. You and your hubby are in my prayers

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My father in law just had an emerg. angio last week, and he was told he same thing (bananas are bad too) . My two year old son will be started on blood thinners some time during childhood and I have researched his nutritional restrictions extensively. Dark leafy greens and bananas are definite no-no's. How much is safe should be discussed with the cardiologist. It will depend on the dosage of blood thinner and other meds he may be on.

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Please follow the advice given to you at the hospital and avoid sources of Vitamin K until you get a chance to speak to your doctor. Your husband has probably been put on a blood thinner to prevent clotting post-angioplasty and Vitamin K (the letter is derived from the german word koagulation) will work against the drug.
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YES! Please follow the doctor's advice in this area!!! To not do so could have deadly results.
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Please follow the advice given to you at the hospital and avoid sources of Vitamin K until you get a chance to speak to your doctor. Your husband has probably been put on a blood thinner to prevent clotting post-angioplasty and Vitamin K (the letter is derived from the german word koagulation) will work against the drug.


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I agree he should follow docters advise to avoid greens until he gets further information.
Have you read Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease yet?
http://www.amazon.com/Prevent-Revers.../dp/1583333002
I work with a guy who pretty much given a death sentence, after triple bypass, and more than a couple stints. Dr. Esselstyn turned his life around through diet and excercise.
Esselstyn had been an esteemed physician and researcher with the Cleveland Clinic:
http://www.heartattackproof.com/about.htm
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#7 Old 02-16-2011, 01:16 PM
 
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I'm wondering if they meant that dark leafy greens counteracts the 'blood thinner drugs' or if they meant that dark leafy greens are a problem even when not taking 'blood thinning drugs'.
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I'm wondering if they meant that dark leafy greens counteracts the 'blood thinner drugs' or if they meant that dark leafy greens are a problem even when not taking 'blood thinning drugs'.

Both, actually. Whether put on blood thinners or not, Vitamin K works as a coagulant and the last thing you want after having angioplasty is to promote more clotting. At the very least he was likely put on an aspirin regimen which also works as a blood thinner.
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My grandmother had a heart attack and heart surgery last summer, and was told the same thing. No leafy greens (among many other things - she's supposed to eat almost totally vegan, no pasta, a whole bunch of things).

PLEASE don't have him eat dark greens until you've spoken with the doctor to be sure.
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We cleared things with his cardiologist. There are no diet restrictions regarding dark leafy greens at all. Unless you are taking coumadin (a specific blood thinner). Then there are cautions. But since my husband is not taking coumadin, he is free to eat as many greens, veggies and fruits as he desires! Yay!!!
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We cleared things with his cardiologist. There are no diet restrictions regarding dark leafy greens at all. Unless you are taking coumadin (a specific blood thinner). Then there are cautions. But since my husband is not taking coumadin, he is free to eat as many greens, veggies and fruits as he desires! Yay!!!

What a relief! glad you checked it out.

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I had triple bypass surgery a few years ago and i have never heard anything like that. It's definitely news to me. I am currently waiting for my copy of dr Esselstyn's book to arrive from Amazon. I want to do anything in my power to reverse my heart disease. Good luck to your husband.
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#13 Old 03-08-2011, 08:15 AM
 
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Raven, You might also want to check out Dr. John McDougall too. He's another doctor I consulted with before going back to the cardiologist. You can find him at drmcdougall dot com. Not sure if I can post an actual link here or not. There is tons of information on reversing heart disease on his website. He also answers personal emails too!! I've ordered two of his books from amazon and can't wait to get my hands on them. I've also ready The China Study and in there read a little bit about Dr. Esselstyn! There's a wealth of nutritional knowledge out there just waiting to be tapped into...don't always buy the advice of the medical community! Espcially when it further lines their pockets with our money!
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Green leafy veggies are okay & healthy for you to eat, even when on blood thinners. The problems arises when you ALTER THE AMOUNT of green leafy veggies you eat. If you increase or decrease the amount, it will affect how your blood clotting mechanism, and you will need to have your clotting prevention (aka blood thinner) medication dose altered. The dietitians, pharmacists and I all teach our patients to be consistent with their intake of Vitamin K foods, and if they change their intake, they need to notify their doctor.

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I had triple bypass surgery a few years ago and i have never heard anything like that. It's definitely news to me. I am currently waiting for my copy of dr Esselstyn's book to arrive from Amazon. I want to do anything in my power to reverse my heart disease. Good luck to your husband.

another book you'll want is dean ornish's "everday cooking with dr dean ornish". i find that's the most practically useful of these books. good luck to you. your organization and discipline are going to be seriously tested, but it's a lot better than having to go back under the knife.
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#16 Old 03-18-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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Thanks to everyone for the great advice. I already own Dr. McDougall's book on reversing Diabete's. I am definitely going to look into that cookbook by Dr. Ornish. I have one of his books, too. I think just going vegetarian over a year ago (March 13) is a huge step in the right direction.

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#17 Old 03-18-2011, 10:35 AM
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one last thing to add is besides cutting down the fat, you need to lower the salt. that's the poor trade i made at first. giving up fat, eating way too much salt. i've moderated since, but it was a pitfall i wasn't expecting .
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