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#1 Old 01-27-2008, 06:47 PM
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This is an open question, take it anyway you want.

Basically what crime do you find disgusts you the most and any suggestions on a suitable punishment?
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#2 Old 01-27-2008, 06:50 PM
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Genocide.
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Kidnapping, raping, and murdering children.

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Worst crime isn't always something that's a crime in the legal sense.



Forcing your beliefs on others in ways that they can't resist -- or as another phrasing of it, using your free will to take away another's free will (or perceived free will, since I don't entirely believe free will exists). -- basically every type of crime one person could do to another living thing.



I define "beliefs" for that statement it includes "belief that relations with family members or children is right", "believing that murder is right", "passing laws for one church that all people will have to follow", "belief that you should screw over everyone you see, because they aren't you", etc.

NOT things like "trying to convert someone from one belief system to another" through verbal means where the person can freely choose not to change if they desire (without any repercussions).
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Kidnapping, raping, and murdering children.



Why is it worse to do any of those things to a child than it is to an adult?
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It is especially despicable to attack the helpless and innocent.

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There are lots of helpless and innocent adults.
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It is especially despicable to attack the helpless and innocent.



Exactly

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But why is it more despicable?
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There are lots of helpless and innocent adults.



Granted, but my opinion of the worst crime is what I stated... against children.

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... and does this mean it's more despicable to kill a 4 year old child than a 7 year old child?
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Imagine randomly slapping your wife and then think about slapping your baby and see what you think -or better yet- how it makes you feel.



Is it the same feeling?

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i guess because kids are the most innocent and most helpless and because most humans capable of feelings and empathy feel protective toward kids.



eta: it is hard to define what the most horrible crime would be, but causing incredible pain and suffering to another being is basically the most horrible thing to my mind. whether it is done on a small scale or to thousands or millions is probably the difference between horrible and unimaginably horrible?
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I can't honestly answer that having never done it but it seems that it could feel the same. What if it was my 90 year old grandmother in her wheelchair?
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But why is it more despicable?



Children are suppose to be loved and cherished (in an ideal world) and they trust in adults to care for them. To betray that trust is, to me anyway, most despicable.

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Why is it worse to do any of those things to a child than it is to an adult?



Yes thats right; but people who target children for these crimes do so because children are more innocent, trusting and not able to defend themselves effectively.
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Children are suppose to be loved and cherished (in an ideal world) and they trust in adults to care for them. To betray that trust is, to me anyway, most despicable.



Shouldn't we love and cherish everyone equally?
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If someone hit a child and hit an adult and felt there was no difference thats pretty disgusting!
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If that were reality, people would treat others on message boards the same as family or friends...I have not found that to be the case!

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This was not originally a question of hitting. It was of rape and murder.
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Shouldn't we love and cherish everyone equally?



If that were reality, people would treat others on message boards the same as family or friends...I have not found that to be the case!



Also, no one would pass a stranger in need without giving them some of their resources.

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Shouldn't we love and cherish everyone equally?



That is not the point. Persons who prey on children are cowards and most would not even consider attacking adults. It is the fact that children are weak and trusting and vulnerable that attracts the predator.

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If that were reality, people would treat others on message boards the same as family or friends...I have not found that to be the case!



Also, no one would pass a stranger in need without giving them some of their resources.



I agree but that doesn't address why we should we treat children differently than non children?



I'm interested in this question because the potential of a death penalty for those convicted of molesting children under certain circumstances has been raised.
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In my opinion the worst crimes are in no particular order

1)\tAnything that can be classed as paedophilic.

2)\tRape

3)\tAnimal cruelty

Anyone guilty of the above should be shot no questions asked!
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That is not the point. Persons who prey on children are cowards and most would not even consider attacking adults. It is the fact that children are weak and trusting and vulnerable that attracts the predator.



Weakness is relative. Adult size and strength varies greatly.
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Where was the death penalty brought up?

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I've known children that could kick the butts of most adults. I've known a woman (just over 5ft tall, and around 100lbs) would could smack a full grown 6ft+ tall man hard enough to knock him over.



Children kill and rape other children. Innocence and defenselessness doesn't have any age, gender or size.
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The death penalty wasn't brought up in this thread but it's being proposed in some state legislatures as a punishment for the crimes I mentioned. It's just something I'm interested in and why I asked these questions.



I'm not disagreeing that crimes against children are horrible- just interested in why people differentiate between crimes against children and crimes against other groups.
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Well, I only voiced my opinion as the OP requested.

I am an advocate of children; crimes against children really get me steamed up. This doesn't diminish the fact that said crimes are horrible against anyone. I just find crimes against children more despicable. That is just my humble opinion.

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If that were reality, people would treat others on message boards the same as family or friends...I have not found that to be the case!



Also, no one would pass a stranger in need without giving them some of their resources.



Not around here. I think I recall I posted about how a person was laying passed out in town next to a road. Cars kept going past, nobody stopped.
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