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According to Fox News, it’s a myth that polar bears are threatened by global warming since the polar bear is actually “thriving.” On Friday, Fox broadcast a segment where President of the Pacific Legal Foundation Rob Rivett claimed polar bears’ only ‘threatened’ status is that they are a ‘threat’” to the fossil fuel industry:

RIVETT: The polar bears are thriving as you said. In fact 50 years ago there were only 5,000 to 10,000 of this species. Today there are 25,000. Of the 17 populations, 14 of those populations are maintaining population or increasing their populations. So there’s no question that the bear is thriving.
The real concern for us at the Pacific Legal Foundation is these bears were listed based upon simply speculation. Let me tell you how this happened. In essence through computer modelling, the federal government determined that this species would be losing its sea ice habitat and because of the loss of sea ice habitat, they felt it was necessary to put them on the threatened list.

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Well, it IS Fox News.


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It's not a clear cut issue. Polar bear populations are growing in some areas and decreasing in others. It's probably a case of selective reporting.
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Here's some information from Canada. I figure they know a lot about polar bear populations in the Great White North. smiley.gif

"How polar bears are faring worldwide.Despite all this hedging, the numbers still tell a powerful story. It’s just not always clear what that story is. In Davis Strait, between Greenland and Baffin Island, the polar bear population has grown from 900 animals in the late 1970s to around 2,100 today. In Foxe Basin — a portion of northern Hudson Bay — a population that was estimated to be 2,300 in the early 2000s now stands at 2,570. And in specific areas of western Hudson Bay, the most-studied, most-photographed group of bears on Earth seems to have been on a slow but steady increase since in the 1970s.

News like this leaves climate-change deniers crowing from the rooftops. But a closer look reveals that everything may not be quite so sunny. “Some populations appear to be doing OK now, but what’s frightening is what might happen in the very near future,” says wildlife biologist Lily Peacock, who has worked with polar bears for the Government of Nunavut and the U.S. Geological Survey. “All indications are that the future does not look bright.” While population trends might appear stable, she says, “we’re picking up declines in body condition that are really frightening.” Scientists have shown a direct correlation between warm years and skinny bears. Even more distressing, one study predicted that 40 to 73 percent of pregnant females could fail to deliver healthy cubs if ice breakup happens one month earlier than in the 1990s. Polar bears are long-lived animals that reproduce slowly; counting the number of animals that are alive today might not paint an accurate picture." http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/dec12/polar_bears.asp

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Selective reporting...as usual. When you get such biased broadcasters as Fox or NPR you need to check every facts because these people use every trick in the book.

I remember when fox, whilst campaigning against Socialised medicine claimed that ïf steven hawking was born in the UK he would not have lived" without even bothering to find out that Hawking was born in the UK ,grew up in the UK and Is British.


The trouble is that ledboots is link isn;t very good either -too many ifs and maybes.


What bothers me is that many climate change advocates have lied so much that if, as i suspect, global warming is real those who want us to do nothing about it have EVERY argument to claim that the data is false.

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I don't listen/watch Fox news for a reason.

But I also think the whole global warming agenda is being taken advantage of. Obvious fear-mongering is obvious - we don't need to be scared into more taxes.

None of this information is in my field of study, so I won't comment on it, but I do wish the best for the polar bears as well as the rest of the environment and greatly distrust energy companies (and mainstream media companies like Fox), but I'm not going to fall for the usual fear-mongering. Let's each do our part.


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You mean hackers cannot really blow up cars ?

 

 

You mean Fox News LIES ????

 

C'mon. No way.

 

 

 

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what exactly was the point of that last post vegan cyberpunk?

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@Hondulation i mean Fox News = don't even loose your time on it

 

You call them biased.

 

There is a point where baised has been looong passed. That channel is propaganda in its purest form, taking its viewers for even bigger idiots than one would think possible. They have about as much in common with news and truth and valuable information as... actually i cannot find an example. A rock ?

 

 

That channel doesn't care about neutrality or science, anything supporting climate change is to be ditched, anything opposing it is to be publicised, even if it means lying, or rather, especially if it means lying.

 

Let's have a look at what people think about the global warming :

 

Wait... that's eeeeh ? so the total is like... ? And the poll subject itself is... ? Fox news magic.

 

The polar bears news have nothing to do with polar bears. The only reason fox news talks about them is to discredit climate change.

 

Ok, there is also a word about animals being a threat to industry. Should we check Robb Rivett ? Ooooh look a guy who protects lfreedom aand property rights against abusive government ecological and environmental laws ! A guy who defends industry against eco activists ! He defends against regulatory abuse under the endagered species act. At least this law and business guy looks like more of a bear expert than their meteorologist is on climate change. It's one more way around to criticise again and again government regulations as opposed to the fox economic views of deregulations. Polar bears are an issue for climate sceptics and for the industry ? Heck, let's just say that they are all ok then.

 

The issue of fox news is far more than selective reporting, it's outright lies and manipulation.


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Vegan Cyberpunk. No one here is  a fan of Fox news so I just don;t see the point. They are clearly very biased and so is NPR which is so disgustingly hyppcritical that they claim to back gay and womens rights on one hand and are then happy to be funded by the Muslim brotherhood on another (until it got blown)

I don;t get you point about Global warming. It is absolutely true that Scientists have falsified evidence on Global warming. No doubt whatsoever.

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My point about global warming is that if they were not opposed to it this article would not exist.

 

It is a creation which is not made to inform the public but to manipulate it into opposition towards climate change theories and the gov regulations.

 

Not only the origin, but also the AIM, of the article, make it unworthy of attention.

 

As to the falsification part, i was mostly poiting out the magic of having a poll with over 100% and the formulation as an evidence of fox agenda to use one of their own favourite words, which renders impossible their article as being trustworthy.


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Sorry this is an absurd argument. Its quite clear that Fox has made a typo- news organisations do it all the time- and so do governments.  They have gained a point in place 2. Fox isn;t trustworthy? We know that. Nor are the sorts of sources that left-extremists ( a few people here) quote. Like NPR the pro Hamas/Muslim brotherhood mouth peice for the ultra-right masquerading as liberals and enthusiastically clapped by anyone who just hates the west.

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http://www.projectcensored.org/11-the-media-can-legally-lie

^court case about Fox News suing for the right to lie

 

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No need to say sorry :-)

 

But it's not a typo. It's pure manipulation, and not the first one, the actual poll is like 35 percent very likely, 24 percent somewhat likely, 21 percent not very likely & 5 percent not likely at all with15 percent not sure. Fox added the very likely & somewhat likely together for a total of 59% while keeping somewhat likely. Then they added the 35% of very likely in addition to the new somewhat likely. The magical total of 120% doesn’t even include the 15% who were not sure…

 

It might have been a typo if it there was not already a typo in the response selection itself, and if they were not known for intentional typos such as obama bin laden and many other intentional numbers manipulations as "revealed" by ex members of the station if one didn't already noted it himself.


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But it's not a typo. It's pure manipulation, and not the first one, the actual poll is like 35 percent very likely, 24 percent somewhat likely, 21 percent not very likely & 5 percent not likely at all with15 percent not sure. Fox added the very likely & somewhat likely together for a total of 59% while keeping somewhat likely. Then they added the 35% of very likely in addition to the new somewhat likely. The magical total of 120% doesn’t even include the 15% who were not sure…

 



And you know its not just sloppy typos how? Insider knowledge? A report by an investigative body ior just plain old ideological bias? Its eems a very poor attempt if they actually wanted to manipulate anyone

 

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might have been a typo if it there was not already a typo in the response selection itself, and if they were not known for intentional typos such as obama bin laden



Are you one of those people who think that the current president should be immune from lampooning?

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^court case about Fox News suing for the right to lie

 

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Yes a victory for appallingly biased organisations everywhere.

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I know it's not typo errors first of all because i know from personal experience that this kind of mistakes just doesn't happen by mistake, at least not at such high rates. For numbers such errors are just purely impossible, especially with other numbers missing.

 

Of course if it hard to speak about independant reports, let's say media matters for america, despite its actual research and valuable data, who criticizes fox a lot, is for example selective in its targets for political reasons, the huffington post can be criticised as well, and the ex members might have good reasons to lie, but seriously i think that just watching fox news from time to time one hour here and there is enough to have a good laugh and know the difference,

 

As to the lampooning, far from it, i support it strongly, but in cases such as this one it is one more clear indicator not so much of a certain taste for jokes but of a political line.

 

all i'm saying is that those polar bears have nothing to do with polars bears, the info simply cannot be trusted.

 

This info is only a disguise for other aims that have more to do with politics and economics than with bears. And that's my problem with that channel. The history, aims and methods of that source on the other side make the info itself untrusted.


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So you want me to accept you claims because of your personal experience?
 

 

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Of course if it hard to speak about independant reports, let's say media matters for america, despite its actual research and valuable data, who criticizes fox a lot, is for example selective in its targets for political reasons, the huffington post can be criticised as well, and the ex members might have good reasons to lie, but seriously i think that just watching fox news from time to time one hour here and there is enough to have a good laugh and know the difference,

Fox  has an incredibly incompetent fact checking apparatus. It is often laughably wrong. NPR is  as insidious.

The issue for me is that you seem to have no problem with lying cheating insidious behavior by news sources as long as they are consistent with your bias.
 

 

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As to the lampooning, far from it, i support it strongly, but in cases such as this one it is one more clear indicator not so much of a certain taste for jokes but of a political line.

You need insiocators to know that Fox is anti Obama? I despise Obama too. So what?
 

 

all i'm saying is that those polar bears have nothing to do with polars bears, the info simply cannot be trusted.

 

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And yet we should trust your information?

 

 

 

 

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This info is only a disguise for other aims that have more to do with politics and economics than with bears. And that's my problem with that channel. The history, aims and methods of that source on the other side make the info itself untrusted.

 

 

 

Which sources are trustworthy?
 

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For an info like that, i am ready to trust say national geographic, or something that at least mentions some verifiable polar bear scientists ( whatever they say, note the s ) or organisation instead of that paul rivett. Bring me some scientists names and references or links to their publications, at the very least, and don't leave alone a guy who complains against government regulations at the price of industry,  as fox loves to do. That kills any legitimity.

 

Please explain me my biais.

 

Unless you just want to cry about the inexistence of trust in the media, and this without taking into account the extreme that is fox news.


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For an info like that, i am ready to trust say national geographic, or something that at least mentions some verifiable polar bear scientists ( whatever they say, note the s ) or organisation instead of that paul rivett. Bring me some scientists names and references or links to their publications, at the very least, and don't leave alone a guy who complains against government regulations at the price of industry,  as fox loves to do. That kills any legitimity.

 

Please explain me my biais.

 

Unless you just want to cry about the inexistence of trust in the media, and this without taking into account the extreme that is fox news.

I would want more than one zoologist with an expertise in Ursus maritimus . I would certainl;y trust National Geographic more than I would trust fox but NG still have an agenda.

Your bias? You have exhibited, to me at least, a strong bias to the left. id put you with Jpaul and Elaine.

For example how would you describe the reliability of the Guardian newspaper?

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 They are clearly very biased and so is NPR which is so disgustingly hyppcritical that they claim to back gay and womens rights on one hand and are then happy to be funded by the Muslim brotherhood on another (until it got blown)

 

Even if they had accepted money from the Muslim Brotherhood (which, to the best I've been able to discover, they didn't), how would it be either hypocritical or show them to be biased?

 

If I ran an AR organization, for example, I'd be thrilled if the dairy industry gave all of its advertising budget to my organization rather than spending it on happy cow commercials. Problems would only arise if the donation caused the AR organization to stop doing what it had been doing. Few things would be more satisfying than using the enemy's own resources to undercut the enemy's endeavors.


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Even if they had accepted money from the Muslim Brotherhood (which, to the best I've been able to discover, they didn't), how would it be either hypocritical or show them to be biased?

 



No they were set up. They demostrated that they were more than willing to accept substantial funding from the Muslim brotherhood but they were hoaxed.|
 

 

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If I ran an AR organization, for example, I'd be thrilled if the dairy industry gave all of its advertising budget to my organization rather than spending it on happy cow commercials. Problems would only arise if the donation caused the AR organization to stop doing what it had been doing. Few things would be more satisfying than using the enemy's own resources to undercut the enemy's endeavors.

 


Don;t insult my intelligence. NPR is a fan of the MB because they are anti Israel. The left in the west will abandon any position so long as they can bash the USA, the UK or Israel. The left has a pathetic need to grovel to Islam.

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Poor seals.


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Good for the fish though. More polar pears = less seals = more fish.


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No they were set up. They demostrated that they were more than willing to accept substantial funding from the Muslim brotherhood but they were hoaxed.|
 

 

 


Don;t insult my intelligence. NPR is a fan of the MB because they are anti Israel. The left in the west will abandon any position so long as they can bash the USA, the UK or Israel. The left has a pathetic need to grovel to Islam.

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No they were set up. They demostrated that they were more than willing to accept substantial funding from the Muslim brotherhood but they were hoaxed.|

 




Don;t insult my intelligence. NPR is a fan of the MB because they are anti Israel. The left in the west will abandon any position so long as they can bash the USA, the UK or Israel. The left has a pathetic need to grovel to Islam.

I think the left is more complicated and diverse than that...

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I think the left is more complicated and diverse than that...
 

Not in practice they aren't.

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