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#1 Old 01-22-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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Eggs have life in them, so how can they be consumed by vegetarians.
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#2 Old 01-22-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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Eggs have no living life in them as long as they aren't fertilized... And the ones you can buy in stores aren't. They are a menstrual by product of the chicken.
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#3 Old 01-22-2009, 08:17 AM
 
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They're vegetarian because the eggs we eat would never have become chickens. They are unfertilised.
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#4 Old 01-22-2009, 09:21 AM
 
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Ah, has anyone ever heard those stories about people buying eggs from the supermarket and then them hatching? Just a random thought there because I'm sure I've read somewhere
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Ah, has anyone ever heard those stories about people buying eggs from the supermarket and then them hatching? Just a random thought there because I'm sure I've read somewhere



It's seems rather unbelievable that an egg that was refrigerated rather than incubated could hatch.

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It's seems rather unbelievable that an egg that was refrigerated rather than incubated could hatch.



Agreed I don't think that it would work out that way Eggs need warmth, refrigerators would most likely kill the chicken in the egg.

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I've heard of fertilized eggs getting mixed in with nonfertilized eggs. People crack them open and there is blood or fetus inside.



My grocery store has cartons of fertilized egg for sale. Why they have them next to my tofu I have no clue! Why they sell them at all is beyond me. They also have a clear container of egg whites.... looks like a bunch of snot.



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They are a menstrual by product of the chicken.



I seriously NEVER thought of it quite like that! As if it weren't disgusting enough! I just always thought of it like embryo, fetus, etc... for some reason it makes it even more gross calling it menstral by product. Blech!
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Oh come on! Everyone knows eggs grow on trees. Haven't you heard of eggplants? Geez!
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Ah, has anyone ever heard those stories about people buying eggs from the supermarket and then them hatching? Just a random thought there because I'm sure I've read somewhere



yeah i have heard a story like this on the news maybe a year ago- weird! Most farms dont even have any cockerals so the chances must have been tiny!



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Agreed I don't think that it would work out that way Eggs need warmth, refrigerators would most likely kill the chicken in the egg.



I know that at room temperature the fetus wouldnt die, just would not grow. Some people do not keep eggs in the fridge. Im not sure what would happen if you kept the eggs in the fridge.



Lots of chicken (or any bird for that matter) breeders will take away fertilized eggs as soon as they are laid, but them in a box in a cool area and then put them back when enough eggs have been laid. That way they are all incubated together by the hen and will hatch at roughly the same time.



I think birds in the wild will lay their eggs one per day, and only sit on them when they get to four or however many they need for a brood. Dont quote me on that though as Im not sure.
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I would never eat a fertilized egg, as I am vegan and wont eat any eggs. But I dont think it would make much difference to be honest. The eggs have never been incubated so it will just be a couple of cells rather than a dead chick.
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Thinking of it as a menstrual by-product is kind of gross........-_-;
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Oh come on! Everyone knows eggs grow on trees. Haven't you heard of eggplants? Geez!



You've been waiting a long time to use that one haven't you?
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Eggs have life in them, so how can they be consumed by vegetarians.



Plants are alive. Seeds have "life in them". Life isn't the criteria for being vegetarian or not. Otherwise we'd just eat minerals and dirt.

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It's seems rather unbelievable that an egg that was refrigerated rather than incubated could hatch.



Actually they can be refridgerated and then hatched..... But the development process of a chicken doesn't start until the egg reaches a certain temperature. So take them out of the fridge and heat them right and they may hatch.... however by the eggs being refridgerated you decrease the chance of the egg hatching successfully.



I know this because my parents have chickens and recently bought fertilised eggs to hatch. We didn't put them in the fridge or anything, but I did read some information that it is possible.
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#15 Old 01-22-2009, 06:19 PM
 
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Because as everyone has said, the egg isnt fertilized. Eggs is vegetarian for the same reason milk is.. you don't HAVE to murder the animal to get these by products, however we all know the stories about what really happens..
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Oh come on! Everyone knows eggs grow on trees. Haven't you heard of eggplants? Geez!



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I have wondered about this issue in the back of my mind. Thanks for explaining.
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Ah, has anyone ever heard those stories about people buying eggs from the supermarket and then them hatching? Just a random thought there because I'm sure I've read somewhere



Ive heard them, I don't see how it is even remotely possible. The eggs are not fertilized for one, and even if a fertilized egg was slipped in somehow an egg needs very specific conditions of humidity, heat and rotation to begin development. Commercial layers also have no instinct to sit an egg, so it would have to be deliberately incubated by a human being. Otherwise, it will remain just an egg and there is absolutely no visual difference. So supposing that somehow a fertilized, incubated in prime condition egg somehow got placed with the unfertilized supermarket variety, all eggs are candled before packing and shipping. Candling eggs allows the viewer to see what is inside the egg. Even after 2-3 days incubation it is VERY evident if an embryo is developing, with a dim light in a dark room, let alone the far more powerful candling machines used by egg producers to grade. Now supposing the hen found a rooster, laid a fertilized egg, which was deliberately incubated by a human and then somehow fell in a pile of unfertilized food grade eggs, was completely overlooked during grading, and was handled carefully enough, not shaken a bit and kept at optimal temperatures during shipping to the grocery store, the embryo would die immediately once placed in the store fridge unit. If it was not in the store fridge unit, and somehow it was grabbed off the optimal heat and humidity gentle truck by a shopper it would die once being placed in the home fridge, or once it ceased to be rotated and kept at a steady temperature with careful humidity monotoring, it would die. Refridgerated fertilized eggs who have not begun development will simply not develop, even if warmed to optimal temps,ect. A room temperature egg(which nobody would keep the egg at room temperature) will not develop unless incubated correctly. More often than not when someone reports a "embryo" in their egg they are actually observing a "meat spot" or a "blood spot" which although unappetizing is actually: "caused by the rupture of a blood vessel on the yolk surface during formation of the egg or by a similar accident in the wall of the oviduct. Less than 1% of all eggs produced have blood spots. ". This does not indicate fertilization. Occasionally a spot will slip through the grading process and end up in someones carton
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My aunt bought a carton of eggs with several fertilized eggs. One egg had two embryos. There's my random contribution to the thread
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My aunt bought a carton of eggs with several fertilized eggs. One egg had two embryos. There's my random contribution to the thread



Cracking open to find a fertilized egg

We all appreciate your random contribution

^Cool story, bro
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Ive heard them, I don't see how it is even remotely possible. The eggs are not fertilized for one, and even if a fertilized egg was slipped in somehow an egg needs very specific conditions of humidity, heat and rotation to begin development. Commercial layers also have no instinct to sit an egg, so it would have to be deliberately incubated by a human being. Otherwise, it will remain just an egg and there is absolutely no visual difference. So supposing that somehow a fertilized, incubated in prime condition egg somehow got placed with the unfertilized supermarket variety, all eggs are candled before packing and shipping. Candling eggs allows the viewer to see what is inside the egg. Even after 2-3 days incubation it is VERY evident if an embryo is developing, with a dim light in a dark room, let alone the far more powerful candling machines used by egg producers to grade. Now supposing the hen found a rooster, laid a fertilized egg, which was deliberately incubated by a human and then somehow fell in a pile of unfertilized food grade eggs, was completely overlooked during grading, and was handled carefully enough, not shaken a bit and kept at optimal temperatures during shipping to the grocery store, the embryo would die immediately once placed in the store fridge unit. If it was not in the store fridge unit, and somehow it was grabbed off the optimal heat and humidity gentle truck by a shopper it would die once being placed in the home fridge, or once it ceased to be rotated and kept at a steady temperature with careful humidity monotoring, it would die. Refridgerated fertilized eggs who have not begun development will simply not develop, even if warmed to optimal temps,ect. A room temperature egg(which nobody would keep the egg at room temperature) will not develop unless incubated correctly. More often than not when someone reports a "embryo" in their egg they are actually observing a "meat spot" or a "blood spot" which although unappetizing is actually: "caused by the rupture of a blood vessel on the yolk surface during formation of the egg or by a similar accident in the wall of the oviduct. Less than 1% of all eggs produced have blood spots. ". This does not indicate fertilization. Occasionally a spot will slip through the grading process and end up in someones carton



In my first post I explained that the embryo will not start to develop until incubated. It can last as a few cells for a long time before it is incubated and starts to grow. It does not have to start to develop as soon as it is laid.



The only explaination I can think of is that someones cockeral mates with a free range hen. No one will know if the egg is fertilized or not as it hasnt been incubared, who ever eats it wont even know.



I dont think they do candle all eggs anyway? I know someone who used to work as an egg packer. They collected all the eggs that rolled into these gutters. put them in a machine where they go through holes separating the different sizes. They get looked over and all jelly shells, or crumpled shells are thrown out. They rest just get put straight in boxes and go into a room (probably not refrigerates) to wait to be picked up by unrefrigerated lorries and end up in usually unrefrigerated areas of supermarkets.



Say this all takes a week. The egg still contains a little bundle of cells, same as when it was laid. Some weird person gets the egg and puts it in an incubator to see what happens. The cells start to divide now it thinks a mummy is sitting on it. After a few days it is candled and the hatcher can see if it is fertilized or sure.
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#22 Old 01-23-2009, 05:22 PM
 
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Fertilised chicken or duck eggs are a dish in south-east Asia and the Philippines. It's called balut

Caviar is fertilised too.
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Ah, has anyone ever heard those stories about people buying eggs from the supermarket and then them hatching? Just a random thought there because I'm sure I've read somewhere



That has to be an urban myth. But when I was a kid, my mom used to buy eggs from a neighboring farm and one of the eggs she cracked had blood in it.

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That has to be an urban myth. But when I was a kid, my mom used to buy eggs from a neighboring farm and one of the eggs she cracked had blood in it.



Blood eggs are quite common. Its just a burst vessel or something along those lines.



Our hens have laid a couple. The look of them is off putting, but they are completely fine to eat.
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#26 Old 01-24-2009, 12:48 AM
 
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That makes me want to take my roommate's eggs out of the fridge and try to incubate it to save the chicks
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Hatching a fertilized egg from a free range hen that has access to a rooster is a different case altogether than breaking an egg and finding a chick inside which is the common myth.



And It's my understanding at the point where the eggs are sorted (soft shells, ect) they are actually over the light. It allows the producer to see any cracks and imperfections better. The best eggs are graded A, then those with few imprefections B, ect.
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I live on a farm and if the eggs have been refrigerated they WILL NOT hatch. Basically kills them for want of a better description. Occassionally we break open one and theres a fetus inside but thats probably 1 in 200 eggs if that. They are vegetarian because they are not alive, especially shop brought eggs. Some vegetarians just choose not to eat eggs out of personal choice (that is me).
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mmmm, chicken period.



The definition of vegetarian is that we don't eat any by-products of slaughter, and eggs aren't slaughtered so it technically is vegetarian. However, it is also technically gross in my opinion.
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;2203817]I live on a farm and if the eggs have been refrigerated they WILL NOT hatch. Basically kills them for want of a better description. Occassionally we break open one and theres a fetus inside but thats probably 1 in 200 eggs if that. They are vegetarian because they are not alive, especially shop brought eggs. Some vegetarians just choose not to eat eggs out of personal choice (that is me).



I decided to google "are eggs alive?" after reading this post, and it appears that there are a lot of people who DO feel they are alive. I suppose it's a debate like much anything else.



I haven't eaten eggs since I don't remember when I last had them. I find I don't really miss them as much as I thought I would. In fact, the mere thought of them is rather revolting to me at this point.

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