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#1 Old 04-27-2012, 09:10 PM
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The latest big study linking red meat to early death is absolute garbage. The fact that it was even performed indicates that there's a problem with the way nutrition science is handled. But even worse is the way the media ran with it and echoed the extraneous conclusions of the study's leader without so much as a word of counterpoint from anyone in the meat industry. This is clearly engineered and is being rehashed from year to year.

The first sentence you read in any science book is that correlation does not equal causation, but the bigwigs love this stuff because they can use it to show whatever they want, which may not be the case with controlled trials. This isn't grassroots. This is a top down conspiracy. Grassroots is the people vs Monsanto, and we see how unsuccessful that is. If the media is pushing vegetarianism, it's because industry wants it.

I fear heavy taxes on meat, rationalized through burdens of global warming and Obamacare costs. The masses don't know or care about nutrition. They aren't going to replace their meat diets with your personal fancy vegan diet, no, they'll just consume more hydrogenated soybean oil and corn syrup. This isn't what you want. Please think twice if you advocate these sorts of politics. Thank you.

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#2 Old 04-27-2012, 09:46 PM
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The study just said that regular red meat consumption is linked to a higher mortality rate. LINKED. Doesn't say red meat causes mortality.

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#3 Old 04-28-2012, 12:28 AM
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Not only is that not true in the slightest, it's not relevant.

The study's leader makes extraneous conclusions, as I said, that the data shows clearly that red meat causes early death. He goes on to talk about whole grains, which is NOT IN THE STUDY AT ALL. This man is still working as a top scientist at Harvard. The headlines reprinted on all the major news sites are variations on, "Red Meat Increases Risk Of Early Death". That's actually less bold, but still an affront to science. However, any conclusion at all would have been 100% indefensible due to haphazard data collection alone. It's junk science and the media ran with it.
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I'd rather have people consuming hydrogenated oils, corn syrup, etc than animals.
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Didn t read your last big study but i know that this paper linked here is considered serious.

Here you have some serious stuff

and i recommend reading the references


NGO calls upon UK Government to proactively promote and recommend a plant-based diet as a solution to rising healthcare costs and rates of obesity, cardiovascular disease, cancer, and type II diabetes

7 September 2011, London, United Kingdom In a paper distributed to all MPs in the House Magazine entitled, Plant-Based Diets: A solution to our public health crisis, leading physicians reveal that a switch to a diet free of meat and dairy products will dramatically reduce the incidence (and therefore the costs) of the most menacing maladies currently threatening public health, such as obesity, cancer, heart disease and diabetes. London-based NGO, World Preservation Foundation, stated in a letter to the Prime Minister that the Government can take the international lead in the advocacy and implementation of healthier plant-based policies and incentives, setting a benchmark in healthcare, environmental protection and policy innovation. Acknowledging the challenge of protecting and improving public health, whilst managing escalating costs in the NHS, WPF has set out proposed measures it believes the Government can implement to meet this challenge.

Please personal request next time you speak about some study make a direct link to it, and perhaps a introduction or a quote, so that we don t have to search for it. Not everybody lives in the same country and not everybody read the same newspapers.

And it s funny to see how people jump on the weaknesses of anti meat studies when the pro meat ones are just hilarious, i especially love the anti vegetarian studies wich are made by the meat industry itself bwahahahaha

If you got an example of a perfect health study without a single weakness able to destroy the whole paper i ask to see.

I just know that since i stopped eating meat like what 9 or 10 years ago i have way more energy and my blood tests & co are so good that the docs are actually asking me what i m doing to be in such good health, it s enough for me, not speaking about ethics. I leave the theory to others, i m more than ok with the facts i see on myself and all the other vegans around me.

Here is the more on the study you are speaking about, i let you post the study itself.

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#6 Old 04-29-2012, 05:55 PM
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I love when trolls come on veggie message boards, join, and then clearly violate the terms of service. Lovely. Stay classy troll.
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#7 Old 04-29-2012, 10:07 PM
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OP I don't understand the point you are trying to make. We know that correlation does not imply causation, but if you crack open an epistemology textbook (or perhaps a Hume reader) we also know that causation is difficult if not impossible to prove empirically. I also don't understand how the study's author is making "extraneous" claims.

In conclusion, the media is doing what it does for every scientific study: making it palatable for your average television watching moron. For someone who claims to be for "science" (whatever that means) your post is full of claims that are unsubstantiated and empirically unverifiable (conspiracy theories, anyone?).

P.S.- You expect the media to include sources with an obvious conflict of interest? That's bad science AND bad journalism.
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#9 Old 05-01-2012, 03:24 PM
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The media generally does a crap job of reporting science. It's not specific to studies supporting vegetarianism (which the study the OP references doesn't even try to do. "Eat more poultry" ain't exactly a pro-veg sentiment, but it is the gist of much of the press' coverage. So go troll elsewhere ...)

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