The fact that the snake was bred to be sold, and then bought, furthering the demand for more snakes to be bred probably factors into his position.Originally Posted by Semicharmed
and I listen for the voice inside my head
nothin', I'll do this one myself
NICE. -_- If you had ever suggested me having my pet murdered just because YOU couldn't handle his/her eating habits, you'd end up sorely regretting it. Honestly, I don't care what YOU eat, but you have no right at all to hurt or kill others over YOUR food choices.When asked my opinion, i suggested getting the snake put to sleep.
That is seriously crossing a line right there. Telling someone to have their pet killed. Absolutely disgusting. I know what it's like to lose an animal companion, and if someone ever suggested that I have a healthy animal companion murdered over food...I'll just stop right here before I say something that will get me banned.
I haven't heard that one, but I did see a documentary for a lioness who adopted oryx (orix, maybe? I forget how it's spelled) babies and mourned the death of one that was killed by another lion. Pretty touching, but a very rare case.I dont know too if you have heard of little tyke a lion who refused to eat meat or blood all her life. Some animals don't want to kill other animals.
This = win.It doesn't fit in with a vegan ethic to buy dead mice, but it certainly doesn't fit in with the vegan ethic to kill a snake which doesn't share your moral compass.
Yes, exactly. It's not that hard to figure out, people. Don't get a carnivorous pet if you don't want to feed it what it needs to survive.Got a problem with feeding mice to a snake? That's not wrong at all... just don't get a friggin' snake.
Knock this superiority garbage off. You don't know everyone on this forum. You have absolutely no right to judge people or assume that they WANT to support the meat industry. Every time you post, you insult people for being different from you. Please, try to debate just ONCE without attacking everyone else! It's possible. It's not even that hard.I have never understood why veg*ns would want to actively support the meat industry.
Major lulz.No, why would you think that? We are talking about DOMESTICATED snakes.
ENOUGH of that! STOP attacking people for being less vegan than you. You're not perfect. Get over yourself. You clearly don't love animals as much as you say you do if you're willing to condemn a healthy, completely innocent animal to death because YOU don't like what it eats.Really? It really doesnt seem that way.
Are you saying its not a vegan activity to buy an animal, or to feed it meat?
My friend had a snake dumped on him (he used to run a sanctuary, and consequently got dumped on all thew time). He tried to research to see if a snake could be fed vegan, but came up with nothing.
Im not sure how it is irresponsible to put to be responsible for one death rather than thousands. Would you care to explain?
It bothers me that mice are dieing to feed a humans ego. Its the domestication in this case, that causes even more deaths. That is the problem.
"Are you threatening me?" (Said in beavis voice, just to clarify).
What "pet" do you have?
Thats why we will never agree, because i DO care what other people eat, thats why im vegan.
You can easily use pms (when mine get re-instated) but if its to attempt to threaten me, dont waste your time.
Superiority? HA HA
If you really cannot understand why someone would want only one animal to die instead of 1000s, we really have nothing to say to each other.
Im not attacking anybody, get a grip!
Ive never claimed to be perfect, i cannot be, im human.
Thats true, i do not "love" animals, but that doesnt mean i want to see mass death.
It has nothing to do with me not liking what it eats. Snakes in the wild will eat other animals, i dont have a problem with that. What i do have a problem with (and it still amazes me that people like you dont seem to have a problem with it) is animals being bred to be killed to feed other animals that have been bred, all for human satisfaction.
Wh yis that so hard for you to comprehend?
Huh. Enlightening.
Your repeated claim to be some sort of "animal activist" whilst participating in or condoning the neglect, mistreatment or death of animals, smacks of a feeling of misplaced superiority. Frankly, and I've thought this for a while, I don't think you are what you claim to be at all.
And yes, I think it is not a vegan action to buy an obligate carnivore and feed it meat.
Your view that "1 snake vs 1000 mice" does possess some logic, but your ideas that snakes are just inanimate objects, mere possessions, that can be put down at the whim of their squeamish owners is worrying. Like I said, that ranks you with the douchebags who dump dogs at shelters.
The person in the OP apparently "bought" a snake and, no matter how you cut it, your friend willingly got one. No one walked up to him and held a gun to his head, threatening to kill him unless he got some snakes. Like I aid, the mouse thing has some logic, but if you believe that, why get a snake? Why run a sanctuary for obligate carnivores if you are too much of a pansy to cope with the reality that some animals do eat meat?
"People probably thought I was a bit weird... I've always marched to a different drumbeat & that's just me. I don't think you should just try & fit in because you want, you know, peer approval. I mean, too many of us live in fear of the disapproval of those around us, so I've always worked very hard at just being comfortable with who I am." Peter Brock, Aussie sporting legend, veg*n
Hey kiz, you are funny. Ive not claimed ANYWHERE that i am some kind of "animal activist". Where did you get that from? What is your problem?
And just exactly what do you think i claim to be? I think the only things ive said on these forums that i "claim" to be, is vegan, male, and a misanthrope.
But please, tell us all what it is you think i "claim" to be, it'll be another laugh if nothing else!
I agree, its not a good thing for a vegan to buy dead animals to feed to live animals, especially when there is no need.
Ive not suggested that snakes are un-worthy of life, and you know that.
Many people find it hard to understand that where animals have been domesticated, that at times humans HAVE to take responsibility, and act in ways that feel wrong, and hurt, emotionally.
I have had the f***** awful job (as many here have) of having to get a loved 4 legged companion "put to sleep". It still haunts me now, it was the worst thing ive ever had to do in my life, but it was the responsible thing to do while that dog was in my care. I had to take responsibility to end pain. So i did what i had to do, and with NO regrets.
So, back to the snake versus 1000 mice. The snake is in a domesticated situation, so as humans, WE are responsible for whatever happens. I wouldnt want to take the responsibility of 1000 dead animals, just so that one animal could live. If the snake could be let back into the wild, with no major risk, i wouldnt hesitate, but, where i live, it wouldnt survive.
You obviosuly didnt read, the snake was DUMPED on him. Because he previously had the animal sanctuary (homing dogs, cats, rabbits, pigs, donkeys) people knew where to go, and would just dump animals there. It was not his choice to be facing the snake dilema.
Do you have a dog that you feed meat to?
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