We are getting closer to election day and I am curious to know opinions on what might happen w/ proposition 2? the last poll i saw was 55% for yes, 7% undecided 38% for no...
i have high hopes and plan on distributing material at the local universities when classes start...what else can we do to make sure people vote yes?



p.s. also looks like prop 8 is going to be a close one too...

38% no? Who would vote no??

i wondered that too: http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/
people who vote might vote no think that the restrictions will cause farms to close and they will have to get their animal products from out of state or mexico. they also think that prices of the animal products will increase (they should anyway for the expense our planet takes to produce and transport them). the whole "safe" campaign is very ridiculous, apparently when you let animals walk around they happen to walk around in poop, which opposers think is not safe, however it sounds better than sitting in the poop for extended amounts of time and never moving, which is what a lot do now...

mostly i think people might vote no because they have no idea how their animal products are produced.

Considering the amount of opposition, it's hard to believe how little the bill asks of the citizens of California.

And even if it passes, it doesn't go into effect for more than 6 years.

The provisions of sections 25990, 2599 1, 25992, 25993, and 25994 shall become
operative on January 1, 2015.

actually the time lapse is to give the farms a chance to change so that they are not forced to close down right away to adhere to the new specifications.
it is a positive point that the date is in the future because one of the main reasons people do not want this to pass is b/c it might drive business out of the state, however with the future date this is less likely to happen, so it is good.

i saw a pamphlet for prop 2 at the farmers market and was so excited. But i can't vote until march, hopefully it passes...

really great video for prop 2!:

http://uncaged.yesonprop2.com/

i wondered that too: http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/
people who vote might vote no think that the restrictions will cause farms to close and they will have to get their animal products from out of state or mexico. they also think that prices of the animal products will increase (they should anyway for the expense our planet takes to produce and transport them). the whole "safe" campaign is very ridiculous, apparently when you let animals walk around they happen to walk around in poop, which opposers think is not safe, however it sounds better than sitting in the poop for extended amounts of time and never moving, which is what a lot do now...

mostly i think people might vote no because they have no idea how their animal products are produced.

I got my official election guide in the mail yesterday, and saw the yes and no arguments. I had to take a deep breath after reading the no argument. I swear it looks like something written for SNL or The Daily Show. It has to be one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever read in an election guide. :dizzy:

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?
Yes, I am sure this will happen. People who vote for this will feel that they have earned their "brownie points" and deserve not to have to "deny themselves" anymore. Lots of so-called vegetarians revert to eating meat when they convince themselves that the animals are being treated "well".

But I don't see this as a reason to vote no.

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?

I have actually encountered just the opposite when discussing Prop 2, most people are shocked by the treatment as well as shocked how mis-informed consumers are about cruelty. Prop 2 has "opened" a lot of consumers eyes to how horrible this industry is and as a result a few people i have met these past weeks have started transitioning to vegetarianism, Yay!

*grunt* http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/node/29

I was surprised that there are people voting no and I had a chance to talk to some of them. What they had to say was very sad and a little scary.

One person said they didn't want to pay higher prices for eggs and didn't really care about how the chickens are treated.

another person said If anyone wants to buy humane eggs then they can buy free range.

Another one said that the farmers would never treat chickens badly and would naturally make them as comfortable as possible so that they would lay more eggs. And since we aren't chickens how do we know that they actually mind living in a small cage. :wall:

Yes the ignorant and the selfish are going to vote no. Sadly I wasted my breath trying to talk common sense but it was useless.

*grunt* http://www.safecaliforniafood.org/node/29

i dare hope with all my heart that this passes and the prices of eggs and ...dead animals, do sky rocket. rly is 99 cents for a dozen eggs the price that we put on these poor hens? 'meat' should cost tons of money. i dont understand how people can put a price on a life.

i kinda rambled there but, basically what im saying is i hope that meat eaters have to pay more for the life that they are taking. and maybe people will eat less meat/eggs if they cant afford it. :-/

i have heard speculations that if this passed then people would feel less guilty about eating meat and would consume more D:

what are your thoughts on this?

I don't think this is the case, because I don't believe most omnis feel guilty about eating meat or are trying to reduce their animal product consumption in any meaningful way.

Whether or not Prop 2 passes, I think the majority of people will continue eating the same amount of meat and eggs as they did previously. I don't think any ballot initiative will change that. Prop 2 will afford a little more decency to the animals caught up in the system. That's why I'm really hoping it passes.

it passed! by a good amount too! :) awesome!

:nana:

I just heard that prop 2 passed in California which means it prohibits the confinement of farm animals in a manner that does not allow them to turn around freely, lie down, stand up, and fully extend their limbs.

And it's the first time voters have been asked to eliminate the practice of confining chickens in battery cages I believe!

Progess!!

That's great! :)

yay!

YAY! Any chance this will have much effect on veal calves?

Yes it does!

Prop 2 prohibits veal calves, egg-laying hens and pregnant pigs from being tethered or confined

Yay! :pibo: :nana::bobo::vebo:

SO glad to hear this :) It's a step in the right direction!!

I don't live in California but I am SO HAPPY and RELIEVED that it passed! I came to my computer first thing to check on results and there it was... I started crying. This sets a powerful precedent, and things are moving in the right direction. I can really feel it.

Yay! Good job California!