Okay I cannot live off of subway forever. :)

[OilPatch197]

It's been about six months since I've eliminated meat from my diet.:hamster:

Now I like eggs much more!:wayne:

But now the next step for me is daunting, removing animal products out of my regimen. This will be tough as I've got a sweet tooth for Schwan's Ice Cream.:love:

I'm having a hard time finding information on Lacto-ovo vegetarianism, on what to eat and such, all I can find during searches is info for the vegans.:(

Hopefully somone can give some tips, as I like real food, and I am still confused if the BurgerKing veggie burger is really oco-vegitarian. :(

Anyhow there are a few foods, that I am stuck on:

Ice-Cream
Country Crock butter spread
Subway Veggie Delights

I can't eat out all the time folks, and I do like fresh vegetables, is there any companies out there that serve "all ready made" vegitarian meals?

[LifeDrngWartime]

I'm confused too... So you've gone vegetarian already, and now you want to eliminate other animal products from your diet (vegan), but you want info for ovo-lacto vegetarians and not vegans?

In reply to your question about "ready made" vegetarian stuff, natural food stores tend to have more vegetarian frozen dinners, grain and bean mixes and soups than mainstream supermarkets... if that's what you meant.

[hoodedclawjen]

just to confirm: ovo lacto vegetarians DO eat eggs (ovo) and milk (lacto). vegans don't.

do you have a health food store near you? can you cook stuff?

this stuff is a good start.

buttery spread: earth balance (http://www.earthbalance.net/product.html) (lushest thing EVER)

icecream: tofutti* (http://www.tofutti.com/), soy delicious (http://www.sodeliciousdairyfree.com/products/purely_decadent.html), rice divine (http://www.goodkarmafoods.com/), so good (http://www.sogoodbeverage.com/)....

ready meals: there are loads of brands. amys (http://www.amys.com/) is a good start.

* the tofutti smoked salmon cream cheese actually has smoked salmon in it, everything else is good though.

i don't eat subway, sorry.

edit: http://www.bk.com/#menu=3,3,-1 looks like the veggieburger in bk in the usa has egg and milk in it. this makes it ovo lacto vegetarian.

[Waikikamukau]

Wow, I don't get what you're asking!!

Okay, you want to expand out your vegetarian diet, but what's with the question about "removal of animal products" since it's clear you're not talking about being a vegan? The stuff you're doing is already lacto-ovo, you don't need to give up ice cream for that.

Anyway, yes Amy's makes a ton of frozen meals; yet they're extremely expensive compared to making food for yourself. If you'd just learn to cook, you could have healthy meals with larger portions (and while that's an evil thing in a lot of places, if it's actually healthy food eating a lot of it isn't nearly so bad!) for much less money... So instead of picking up a bunch of pre-made veggie meals, I'd say pick up a cookbook!

[Scorpius]

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* the tofutti smoked salmon cream cheese actually has smoked salmon in it, everything else is good though.
...

Are you serious!?

((not that I ever had it...cream cheese and anything in relation to it is gross..but that's just weird))

[OilPatch197]

Okay guys, I just went to wikipedia....

Yeah, I'm a Lacto-ovo looking for the prospect of trying out vegan.

I don't like to cook since I am single.

Is it okay to eat animal products that would otherwise go to waste under the justification that doing this does not encourage further animal exploitation?

[hoodedclawjen]

Are you serious!?

((not that I ever had it...cream cheese and anything in relation to it is gross..but that's just weird))

yep. tofutti isn't a vegan company. its a kosher company. their stuff is dairy free, and mainly vegan as a bonus for us. there are egg whites in some of the cookies too, and something going on with the pizza too, apparently.

http://www.tofutti.com/dyk-faq.shtml

[hoodedclawjen]

Okay guys, I just went to wikipedia....

Yeah, I'm a Lacto-ovo looking for the prospect of trying out vegan.

I don't like to cook since I am single.

Is it okay to eat animal products that would otherwise go to waste under the justification that doing this does not encourage further animal exploitation?

ok, cool :)

you need to decide for yourself what you're ok and not ok with eating- its your life and everything.

if you decide you're ok with eating non-vegan stuff under certain circumstances, please don't call yourself a vegan and then eat animal products, cos it just confuses omnis and makes stuff harder for the rest of us!

in that case, it'd be better if you said 'i mainly follow a vegan diet', or 'i mostly eat vegan' instead.

not getting at you at all - just throwing it out there! :)

[Scorpius]

yep. tofutti isn't a vegan company. its a kosher company. their stuff is dairy free, and mainly vegan as a bonus for us. there are egg whites in some of the cookies too, and something going on with the pizza too, apparently.

http://www.tofutti.com/dyk-faq.shtml

gross.

They make really good vegan/lo-cal fudgesicles though. :drool: Oh man now I want a Tofutti fudgesicle so bad.

[bigdufstuff]

I don't like to cook since I am single.

It is cool if you don't want to cook; not for everyone. But why does being single make someone not want to cook? When I was single I cooked for myself all the time.

I personally think it is a good idea to learn to cook, but if you don't want to that'll work too. It will just limit your options.

[gillibean]

I hate cooking for myself as well but even just learning a few basic dishes that you can make in bulk will help a lot. I make a lot of stew, chili and soup

[Sallie-Veggie]

I used to LOVE ice cream (until I watched meet your meat and became vegetarian) and recently found Rice Dreams and Purely Decadent ice "creams" at my local natural food store- they are soo yummy and even my omni sister was asking for more!! HTH!! :hungry::hungry:

[LucidAnne]

cooking for yourself doesnt have to be a big extravagant affair... microwaving some frozen or fresh veggies, throw on some water for pasta, rice, couscous, open a jar of sauce, beans, etcetc. you could get things done in 15 mins, have leftovers and eat better.
convenience foods are, well, convenient, but are expensive and usually laden w/ salt.

check out this peta list of vegan items from the regular grocery store...thereis lots out there!
http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/

definately check out your health food store and read labels. watch out for other things like gelatin (not vegetarian, is connective tissues), tallow/ lard/ beef fat, caesin (milk protein), rennet/ enzymes (in cheese, from stomach lining of cows).

[OilPatch197]

cooking for yourself doesnt have to be a big extravagant affair... microwaving some frozen or fresh veggies, throw on some water for pasta, rice, couscous, open a jar of sauce, beans, etcetc. you could get things done in 15 mins, have leftovers and eat better.
convenience foods are, well, convenient, but are expensive and usually laden w/ salt.

check out this peta list of vegan items from the regular grocery store...thereis lots out there!
http://www.peta.org/accidentallyVegan/

definately check out your health food store and read labels. watch out for other things like gelatin (not vegetarian, is connective tissues), tallow/ lard/ beef fat, caesin (milk protein), rennet/ enzymes (in cheese, from stomach lining of cows).

Wow, thanks for the Peta link, seems this will be easier than expected.:sunny:

[hoodedclawjen]

cooking for yourself doesnt have to be a big extravagant affair... microwaving some frozen or fresh veggies, throw on some water for pasta, rice, couscous, open a jar of sauce, beans, etcetc. you could get things done in 15 mins, have leftovers and eat better.

yeah, thats what i do a lot. put-together stuff that takes 15 minutes, or which looks after itself while i do something else. then i put leftovers in the fridge and the freezer (i cook by the vatload cos otherwise i'd be doing it all day, so i usually make about 8 portions at a time!).

i'm not single, but my omni bf normally prefers a sandwich to an actual meal with vegetable and beans and rice and stuff in it, so i am a 'lone' cook- but as a bonus, if its just for you, you can make it exactly how you want, and don't have to deal with "but i don't like onions!", " its too spicy!" or any of that stuff.

[Waikikamukau]

Is it okay to eat animal products that would otherwise go to waste under the justification that doing this does not encourage further animal exploitation?

If you don't like food going to waste perhaps you can try out being a Freegan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freegan)!


Are you serious!?

((not that I ever had it...cream cheese and anything in relation to it is gross..but that's just weird))

Many years ago, before I was veg, I ordered something at a restaurant for breakfast called "lox"... I'd never heard of it and the menu just said "lox"... I didn't ask what it was, I was just being experimental.

It was a bagal with cream cheese and (I think) uncooked salmon, and to this day is the grossest thing I've ever had.

[codemonkey]

Soy Delicious Purely Decadent is crazy delicious. I also like the regular Soy Delicious "ice cream" but it definitely tastes more like "light" ice cream (it's only got 120 calories per serving so it makes sense that it doesn't have that super-creamy mouth-feel like the Purely Decadent does.)

I believe that some of the bread at Subway is vegan. I'm not sure which though. The Veggie Delight with no cheese and loaded with whatever veggies you like with some avocado, salt & pepper and sweet onion dressing is awesome. Avocado is a great substitute for cheese on a sandwich.

[codemonkey]

Oh, and for eating for one at home, Amy's Kitchen makes some great vegetarian frozen meals and many of those are vegan. Also, it would be really easy to make a stir-fry for one person. You could make a big batch of rice and use it for several meals during the week.

[Fromper]

icecream: tofutti* (http://www.tofutti.com/), soy delicious (http://www.sodeliciousdairyfree.com/products/purely_decadent.html), rice divine (http://www.goodkarmafoods.com/), so good (http://www.sogoodbeverage.com/)....



I used to LOVE ice cream (until I watched meet your meat and became vegetarian) and recently found Rice Dreams and Purely Decadent ice "creams" at my local natural food store- they are soo yummy and even my omni sister was asking for more!! HTH!! :hungry::hungry:

I have yet to find any type of vegan ice cream that I like. I've tried Toffuti and one other (might have been Purely Decadent - I'd recognize it in the store), and I ended up throwing out part of the containers both times, because I just couldn't eat them. For now, I stick to Haagen Dazs (sp?) sorbet - the mango and raspberry are awesome. But I really need to find a decent chocolate flavor. Maybe I'll try Rice Dream next.



Is it okay to eat animal products that would otherwise go to waste under the justification that doing this does not encourage further animal exploitation?

You're still sort of contributing towards the demand for those items.

Here's an example someone came up with around here a while ago: You go to a party at someone's house and they order 5 pizzas for the group. You consider not eating them because of the cheese, but at the end of the night, there's just one or two slices left, with no meat on them, so you eat them to prevent them from going to waste. At the next party, the organizers remember that 5 pizzas were finished at the last party, so they order 6 to make sure there's enough. If they had leftovers when ordering 5, they'd only order 5 the next time. So you just added to the demand, however unintentionally.

It's not a likely scenario, though, so it's possible that you're eating the one slice of cheese pizza will never affect anything in the long run. It's all a question of what you feel comfortable with.



Many years ago, before I was veg, I ordered something at a restaurant for breakfast called "lox"... I'd never heard of it and the menu just said "lox"... I didn't ask what it was, I was just being experimental.

It was a bagal with cream cheese and (I think) uncooked salmon, and to this day is the grossest thing I've ever had.

Lox is smoked salmon. Serving it on a bagel with cream cheese is very much a Jewish thing. That was actually one of my main meals for the few weeks that I was pescatarian while transitioning to vegetarian.

--Fromper
:juggle:

[Skylark]

It is cool if you don't want to cook; not for everyone. But why does being single make someone not want to cook? When I was single I cooked for myself all the time.

I personally think it is a good idea to learn to cook, but if you don't want to that'll work too. It will just limit your options.

I have the same problem--when I know I can share what I´m cooking with another person or persons, I am MUCH more excited about making food myself. It´s great to learn to cook. It´s just sometimes hard for some of us to get excited about it when there´s no one else around to say, ¨Yeah, this is great!¨ Or even just to provide palatable nourishment for someone else. Geeze, I have too much of my mother in me.

Maybe if the OP finds out one of the neighbors is an older person who can´t get out much, the OP could work out a deal with that person. Such as, the neighbor chips in toward the grocery bills, and the OP gets to feel more social with cooking and therefore more inclined. It could also be a really good thing for both to meet a new friend.

[Freedom_Spark]

I must be the only selfish cook around, I love making food for myself!

[megbot]

Soy Delicious Purely Decadent is crazy delicious. I also like the regular Soy Delicious "ice cream" but it definitely tastes more like "light" ice cream (it's only got 120 calories per serving so it makes sense that it doesn't have that super-creamy mouth-feel like the Purely Decadent does.)


I agree.

I had this variation (http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/organic_soy_delicious_creamy_vanilla.html) of their ice cream yesterday with Veganomicon's Strawberry Rose Cobbler with Lemon Poppy Seed pastry (which was pretty easy to make) and oh my wives, it was good. The omnivores I reside with also went ape over it. Fromper, I really like their chocolate brownie flavor, the plain chocolate is only so so.

Baking is your friend, so is that delicious ice cream. You could try to find a natural store or cafe near you too, and get more take out :)

[Fromper]

I agree.

I had this variation (http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/organic_soy_delicious_creamy_vanilla.html) of their ice cream yesterday with Veganomicon's Strawberry Rose Cobbler with Lemon Poppy Seed pastry (which was pretty easy to make) and oh my wives, it was good. The omnivores I reside with also went ape over it. Fromper, I really like their chocolate brownie flavor, the plain chocolate is only so so.

Baking is your friend, so is that delicious ice cream. You could try to find a natural store or cafe near you too, and get more take out :)

I think I've tried their chocolate brownie flavor. That wasn't nearly as bad as the Toffuti garbage. I may even have finished that container without throwing it out like I did with a couple of others, but I didn't like it enough to go back for more. I never ate ice cream that much anyway, so I haven't been trying that hard to find good ones. But every once in a while, I wish I could find a decent chocolate ice cream substitute.

--Fromper
:juggle:

[tearhsong2]

Cooking doesn't have a to be a big deal. There are many things you can put together (and in bulk for freezing or refrigerating for leftovers later) easily in under 30 minutes, which often takes less time than ordering in or going out. You'll more than likely save yourself a lot of $$$ if you eat home cooked meals rather than convenience food, take out, fast food, or dining out all the time. And it will probably be a lot lower in sodium, calories, and fat, too. Not to mention taste better and you won't have to worry about any undesired animal products going into it because you can control what goes into it.

[bigdufstuff]

Cooking doesn't have a to be a big deal. There are many things you can put together (and in bulk for freezing or refrigerating for leftovers later) easily in under 30 minutes, which often takes less time than ordering in or going out. You'll more than likely save yourself a lot of $$$ if you eat home cooked meals rather than convenience food, take out, fast food, or dining out all the time. And it will probably be a lot lower in sodium, calories, and fat, too. Not to mention taste better and you won't have to worry about any undesired animal products going into it because you can control what goes into it.

Absolutely. A great part of cooking. When ordering from a restaurant you never know what is going on in the kitchen.