Vegan "Nazis"

[Matthew]

Anyone else sick of this term being slung around by vegetarians?

I wrote a favorite "vegan" restaurant of mine asking them why they have Coke, when I've read statements directly from Coca Cola saying it contains animal products.

They replied back with something like, "We inherited the machine from another restaurant. Yes, it's still coke in the machine. All the Vegan Nazis approved of it, so it stays. Don't drink soda anyway, that stuff is terrible for you!"

Which shows you where their priorities are... Getting the high profit yield of a soda machine for average customers who don't want to pay $3 for their bottled drinks which they get down the street at a soda shop that charges $1 per bottle.

What really got me was the vegan "Nazi" comment.

Look... Just because vegans aren't hypocrites, and are logical and strict about their dietary and life choices, like other groups in the community are, doesn't make us Nazis.

This kind of crap needs to stop. I've had posts deleted here for calling lacto/ovos out, trying to get them to prove me wrong, with moderators then telling me, 'It's a vegetarian forum, take the vegan nazi stuff to the vegan forum!' Because people are all offended that blatant hypocrisy is being challenged.

It's basically like, 'Hush! Logic and truth have no place here!'

You're nuts if you're 'half way'. Literally. It's like people who will wear leather but won't wear fur.

Anyway, do you think standard Jews would go to an Orthodox Jewish Synagogue and say, "Jew Nazis."

Do you think casual bowlers would go to a professional bowling tournament and say, "Bowling Nazis."

Do you think girl scouts would go to a Marine Corps. drill and say, "Marine Nazis."

Grow up, and quite labeling us negatively because you can't deal with your own hypocrisy.

This is addressing vegetarians, but I have to segregate it here because most the moderators here are vegetarian and can't handle the truth. I'm sure the thread will be trashed ASAP to cover everything up so the truth never has to be faced. They can live in their dream world of, "Wah, do vegans secretly hate us? 1-2-3 pity party, awwww!" Threads without any sort of retort being allowed. This is an ad revenue driven site, and any big 'shake up' won't be tolerated because it'll deter adclicks.

[hoodedclawjen]

do you have copies of these statements from coca cola? i'm interested.

i don't like the use of the term nazi itself, but i think i can see why people feel they need a term thats easily recognisable by the masses to describe people who are perhaps felt to be fanatical, brash, obnoxious, rude, aggressive, and narrowminded.

its easier and better and understood when they use one word to encompass this than 10- though not exactly accurate.

i don't really mind it being 'slung around' that much... probably cos nobody is slinging it at me (how selfish of me!).

[Blobbenstein]

how do you know that there aren't any vegan nazis?

[abroadinSacto]

I prefer "Hezbollan splinter-faction" myself.

Honestly, I've never heard it anywhere other than this board.

[hoodedclawjen]

i've been wondering... is 'vegan-police' less or more offensive a term that 'vegan-nazi' ?

it still conjures up the same mental image for me... big batons, uniforms, and lots of shouting.

oooh, its quite exciting really. *goes to have a cold shower*.

[Animosity]

I hate how vegans are labled as "extremists" or "hollier-than-thou" By vegetarians and omnis. Just because we're very passonate about our choices, Because we try a little harder, Just because we know and care about the atrocities out there and because we call people out when their being hypocritical, Doesn't by any means put us in the "Nazi" or "Vegan Police" group. Just remember, When they act that way, It's because their on the defensive. They know you're right and they can't argue logically so they are forced to say something offensive to distract us. Don't let them get you down. Take confidence in the fact that you have won and your point, Though they won't show it, Has been gotton across.

[Blobbenstein]

I'm only a minimalist L/O, but I feel like I'm turning into a nazi somedays...eg "you are zee skum of zee earth for that cheese sandvich you jus ate", "Vee ar zee mazder race, pure in ezvery vay"... etc

I think it has something to do with being slightly OCD, or just being a hypocrite in some ways.

[hoodedclawjen]

I hate how vegans are labled as "extremists" or "hollier-than-thou" By vegetarians and omnis. Just because we're very passonate about our choices, Because we try a little harder, Just because we know and care about the atrocities out there and because we call people out when their being hypocritical, Doesn't by any means put us in the "Nazi" or "Vegan Police" group. Just remember, When they act that way, It's because their on the defensive. They know you're right and they can't argue logically so they are forced to say something offensive to distract us. Don't let them get you down. Take confidence in the fact that you have won and your point, Though they won't show it, Has been gotton across.

i think some vegans are labelled like that. not all. i don't go around being 'holier than thou', so other people don't describe me that way.

i think their choice of label is a reaction to how they feel other people are acting, behaving, or coming across. people can act however they feel appropriate, but others will rightly or wrongly judge it, and give it a name. if you act like you're passionate, i'd expect people to describe you that way... people who act in ways that others associate with total nutjobs... get called nutjobs- whether they are or not.

i think that the minute someone calls you a nazi, its time to re-assess your strategy, cos its not working for you. people don't generally respond well to 'nazi like behaviour'... if they're calling you that, they're most likely not listening to your message, or open to taking you seriously- and thats maybe what really matters.

[whisper1971]

I am not pointing fingers at anyone but as a new person coming into these boards, I have noticed that some in here can be sort of aggressive to others when they are trying to emerge themselves into a vegan lifestyle. While it has not happened to me, I see a common thread among a lot of people where instead of saying "great job at giving up XYZ, I understand how hard it is to give up QRS but with a positive mindset and try using these products and in no time it will be something you will no longer miss"... the reply I often come across when people are looking for support is something that amounts to 'you are not vegan enough to be here'...

Again, it happens... I haven't been on the receiving end but I try to post direct questions and leave all the details to myself. Not the purpose of the board? well, I don't like being told I am doing something wrong because the world of omnis are already holding that whipping stick.

*back to my corner*

[Matthew]

It's a term usually used in the community, typically by people in the lower levels of compassion and/or health.

Pure vegan idealogy is the absolute pinnacle of what we can do as far as health and/or compassion are concerned.

Everything else isn't the destination, but a pit stop on the road of purity. Lactovarians, etc. confuse themselves when they think they're doing the best they can do for health reasons, or compassion.

Typically, "Vegan Nazi" is thrown around by vegetarians, because folks in the omni world usually refer to us ALL as "vegetarian."

"Vegetarian tree huggers!" "Vegetarian hippies!" Etc. In fact, in common conversation, "Vegan" is typically used by vegans or vegetarians... The omni world doesn't understand much. In fact, many of them call themselves carnivores, which is hilarious because it's impossible for a human to survive on meat alone.

ANYWAY...

Hey look, there goes a guy with Chevy stickers all over his truck! He must be devoted to Chevrolet! Chevy Nazi!

That family always votes for a democrat! Democrat Nazis!

That family always votes for libertarians! Libertarian Nazis!

That guy always gets Starbucks in the morning! Starbucks Nazi!

[Veggily]

i think some vegans are labelled like that. not all. i don't go around being 'holier than thou', so other people don't describe me that way.

i think their choice of label is a reaction to how they feel other people are acting, behaving, or coming across. people can act however they feel appropriate, but others will rightly or wrongly judge it, and give it a name. if you act like you're passionate, i'd expect people to describe you that way... people who act in ways that others associate with total nutjobs... get called nutjobs- whether they are or not.


Vegan nazi is never a thought that comes to my mind, but having "my people" (vegetarians) referred to as hypocrites, thieves of the word "vegetarian", crazy, omnivores, not trying hard enough, etc. - and that's probably all within the past week or so! - I can understand why some people might use that term.

[Blobbenstein]

yeah well, this world is heading back to the dark ages, so animals will be used by whom ever is left to plough the fields and fill the cooking pot.

[hoodedclawjen]

That guy always gets Starbucks in the morning! Starbucks Nazi!

wouldn't he only apply as a starbucks nazi if he got in everyones face, raving on and on about how all other coffees were evil, trying to force everyone else to drink starbucks every morning too, and leafleting everyone about coffeebean cruelty wherever he went? just drinking it ?... meh... not so nazi-esque if you ask me.

i guess i'm quite lucky- where i'm from most people seem to have basic knowledge of what a vegan is.


Vegan nazi is never a thought that comes to my mind, but having "my people" (vegetarians) referred to as hypocrites, thieves of the word "vegetarian", crazy, omnivores, not trying hard enough, etc. - and that's probably all within the past week or so! - I can understand why some people might use that term.

i'm sorry that people are being so hostile to 'your people' :) it doesn't help get everyone on the same page when we fight amongst ourselves.

[Matthew]

I hate how vegans are labled as "extremists" or "hollier-than-thou" By vegetarians and omnis. Just because we're very passonate about our choices, Because we try a little harder, Just because we know and care about the atrocities out there and because we call people out when their being hypocritical, Doesn't by any means put us in the "Nazi" or "Vegan Police" group. Just remember, When they act that way, It's because they're on the defensive. They know you're right and they can't argue logically so they are forced to say something offensive to distract us. Don't let them get you down. Take confidence in the fact that you have won and your point, Though they won't show it, Has been gotten across.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

You nailed it right on the head.

And Veggily, no one was able to prove that lactovarians aren't hypocrites. Only one person entertained the argument by stating that flesh is different, to which I replied by informing him that it's all cells created by the creature. It's all exploitation. I destroyed his argument, and lactovarians remain to prove the world wrong. It's okay, though. People act like "Hypocrite" is an insult. It's not an insult, it's just a description of what lactovarians do. I proved beyond any argument that for compassionate reasons or health reasons, what they do is contradictory. Now, if you're just saying, "I eat animal products, but I hate the flavor of everything EXCEPT milk and eggs. I will eat the other products, I just don't like their taste." Then you're not a hypocrite.

The hypocrisy comes from them stating that using/eating certain cells from an animal is alright, but using others is not.

You can't be selective like that about your exploitation!!! That's absolute horse ****e.

[kpickell]

That's really unprofessional of the restaurant to respond like that.

They should have just corrected your misinformation and let you know that almost all Coke products are vegan. If you live in the US all Coke soft drinks are vegan. If you live in the UK all Coke soft drinks are vegan except for Fanta Orange and some other flavors I've never heard of.

[Sevenseas]

I wrote a favorite "vegan" restaurant of mine asking them why they have Coke, when I've read statements directly from Coca Cola saying it contains animal products.

They replied back with something like, "We inherited the machine from another restaurant. Yes, it's still coke in the machine. All the Vegan Nazis approved of it, so it stays. Don't drink soda anyway, that stuff is terrible for you!"This sounds a bit like one would have to know the whole picture, including what you e-mailed them.

[Matthew]

That's really unprofessional of the restaurant to respond like that.

They should have just corrected your misinformation and let you know that almost all Coke products are vegan. If you live in the US all Coke soft drinks are vegan. If you live in the UK all Coke soft drinks are vegan except for Fanta Orange and some other flavors I've never heard of.

Misinformation?

Coke has, "Natural flavor from animal and plant sources." As well as ester gum and glycerin. The sugar is processed through a bone char filter.

BTW, in Arizona we get a lot of the syrup for soft drink fountains from Mexico.

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E-mail:

From: Matthew
Date: Feb 9, 2008 3:23 AM


Doesn't Coca-Cola have carmine and ester gum/glycerin?


Response:

answer- no and yes. the vegan "nazis" deem it kosher and so do I, however, if you drink this ****, you are a fool.
"why do you sell it ?" maybe is your next question?
we inherited the machine and some people freaked when we didn't have it available so......It is our plan to remove it and offer an alternitive soon, not because it's not vegan, but because it is pure, 100%, grade A.....****. I wouldn't drink it.

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[Brandon]

This is addressing vegetarians, but I have to segregate it here because most the moderators here are vegetarian and can't handle the truth. I'm sure the thread will be trashed ASAP to cover everything up so the truth never has to be faced. They can live in their dream world of, "Wah, do vegans secretly hate us? 1-2-3 pity party, awwww!" Threads without any sort of retort being allowed. This is an ad revenue driven site, and any big 'shake up' won't be tolerated because it'll deter adclicks.

I'd like to see some evidence backing that claim.

[kpickell]

Nevermind the ranting/attacks on vegetarians, which I couldn't care less bout, but I do think your information on Coke is wrong.

Where did you hear that Coke contains natural flavors from animal sources? They claim otherwise. And sugar doesn't make something unvegan, but Coke does not contain sugar, let alone sugar filtered through bone char? And what Coke soft drinks contain carmine or ester gum/glycerine? None of the cans I just checked, and I couldn't find anything on google.

In seeing the full email it looks like he wasn't calling anyone a vegan nazi, but referencing the fact that even the self-proclaimed vegans "nazis" are okay with Coke.

[Nickle00]

Where's the love man? Perhaps you could focus on positive aspects rather than negative ones? Nothing bad ever came from positive thoughts. EVERYTHING that's bad in this world comes from negativity. Just a thought. Peace & Love!!

[bluesand]

Well it was a vegan restaurant Matthew , so I assume it was a vegan replying to you , not a vegetarian ????


Anyone else sick of this term being slung around by vegetarians?

I wrote a favorite "vegan" restaurant of mine asking them why they have Coke, when I've read statements directly from Coca Cola saying it contains animal products.

They replied back with something like, "We inherited the machine from another restaurant. Yes, it's still coke in the machine. All the Vegan Nazis approved of it, so it stays. Don't drink soda anyway, that stuff is terrible for you!"

[Matthew]

I'm just the messenger. I got an e-mail from Coke a while back saying which product lines were bad, etc. They gave me the typical secretive answer where they go, "We can't say what the natural flavors are, but they may be derived from animals."

Anyway veggies, don't try to change the subject.

This is about vegetarians calling vegans Nazis. It's just plain wrong.

[Bof]

If you live in the US all Coke soft drinks are vegan. If you live in the UK all Coke soft drinks are vegan except for Fanta Orange and some other flavors I've never heard of.

Coca Cola is not vegan if you take into account the amount of suffering they cause to sentient beings like this (http://www.indiaresource.org/campaigns/coke/index.html).

[Matthew]

Well it was a vegan restaurant Matthew , so I assume it was a vegan replying to you , not a vegetarian ????

They serve vegan food, but the owner also operates a non-vegan place in town. The workers there are a mix of vegans and vegetarians. Their patrons are vegans and vegetarians, so they're well versed on what is and isn't kosher. I was surprised they didn't know that Coca-Cola is a classic example of a, "Who knows?" product.

[Nickle00]

I hate how vegans are labled as "extremists" or "hollier-than-thou" By vegetarians and omnis. Just because we're very passonate about our choices, Because we try a little harder, Just because we know and care about the atrocities out there and because we call people out when their being hypocritical, Doesn't by any means put us in the "Nazi" or "Vegan Police" group. Just remember, When they act that way, It's because their on the defensive. They know you're right and they can't argue logically so they are forced to say something offensive to distract us. Don't let them get you down. Take confidence in the fact that you have won and your point, Though they won't show it, Has been gotton across.

I think that term was conjured up more because the people being referred to as "vegan nazi's" are the ones being brash and just plain mean to people who are taking a step in the right direction. Rather than focusing on all the things vegetarians are NOT doing why not take a minute to appreciate what THEY are doing even if (in your set of standards) it's not enough at least it's SOMETHING!! Something is always better than nothing!! Just a thought. Peace & Love!!